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I bought 4 tickets to Taylor Swift for my girlfriend and her friends and paid $407.57 total after all of the bullshit Ticketmaster fees.
~$101 per ticket isn’t cheap, but $900+ per ticket is either scalper/resale prices day of the show, or for some fancy VIP tickets, or just a made up number.
Note that the only source listed is bls, and I am pretty sure they don't track concert tickets 🤔.
lol yes exactly. Kind of hilarious and stupid that they reference BLS as a source, which I’m assuming they meant for the minimum wage figure to calculate the hours, but they also don’t show what that minimum wage figure is on the infographic….
Just a really poorly crafted piece of rage bait designed to do exactly what it’s doing here - piss people off so they share it.
If it's any consolation I am still annoyed that you had to pay $100/ticket.
Yeah I can’t think of a single artist off the top of my head that I would personally pay that much to see, but it made my girlfriend happy and that’s worth $100 to me any day
Prime MJ mightve been worth the $100 in hindsight, that dude was built different
100$ still feels like a discount when you think of how much of a show he used to put on. I would have loved to see him live in his prime.
Look for a novel, 'The Crook Manifesto' by Colin Whitehead.
A retired Harlem fence has to reach out to his old running buddies to get tickets to a Jackson 5 concert for his daughter. Hijinx ensue...
based and lovepilled
Taylor Swift chose to list on Ticketmaster with full knowledge that those fees would be included.
They sometimes don't have a choice. But also fuck Ticketmaster https://youtu.be/-_Y7uqqEFnY
They always have a choice lmao
The large venues usually have an exclusivity deal with a ticket seller like Ticketmaster or AXS. So if they want to play massive stadiums, no they don’t have a choice but to use Ticketmaster. It’s on the venue, not the performer.
So what you're saying is, we need to build out own arena with hookers and gambling?
Taylor is big enough where she could have made a better/different deal. I'm sure slightly smaller venues would bend over backwards to have her, this was purely a greed thing.
That’s not really how the corporate world works. There’s billion dollar contracts involved that are much bigger than one artists tour. No matter how big they are. It’s use Ticketmaster, or you can’t use our venue. Full stop.
You're making a statement without addressing the heart of the discussion. Artists like Taylor Swift are much bigger than Ticketmaster. If she actually used her platform and her voice to go against TM, she could effect a real change. But she (and so many other big artists) choose not to
How does it benefit Taylor Swift to have ticket master take a bigger cut? The best thing for her to do would be to sell the tickets directly through her site, not working with ticket master
Then, like, don't play massive stadiums then? If Taylor Swift (don't care about her but it's kinda the main point of this thread) actually listened to her fans and decided postpone and restructure her tour around smaller independent venues and sell non-transferable tickets directly to fans she could've started a real change in the live music community. But she didn't. Because, ya know, it wouldn't make as much money.
But then only a tiny fraction of her fans would be able to see her at all. Even if she did round the clock shows she wouldn't compete with the density those mega venues provide.
As opposed to only a tiny fraction of her (rich) fans? Doesn't really seem like an argument to me
So what would you do under the regime?
not sell my soul to corporations, taylor swift doesnt need more money
Yeah but we’re not talking about Ticketmaster fees, we’re talking about ticket prices. If you exclude the fees and just talk about the ticket price itself, they were $79 each, which further invalidates this “infographic” if you can even call it that.
Ticketmaster sucks fucking ass, no debate, but that’s not the point here.
And also, saying any artist “chose” to list on Ticketmaster is kind of disingenuous, almost every large stadium and venue (in the US at least) has a contractual requirement to only sell through Ticketmaster, which, again, is proof that Ticketmaster sucks fucking ass, but isn’t really any artist’s fault. It’s the Ticketmaster monopoly.
Other than understating the old ticket prices, non of the reality of Ticketmaster invalidates the point that capitalism has made concerts much more expensive.
No, the Elvis cocert didnt include $60 in fee on that ticket.
The problem is the insinuation made by the infographic is that artists are to blame for ticket prices.
This would be a much more powerful (and factually accurate) infographic if it focused on fees and how Ticketmaster is largely to blame for the balloon in costs for event tickets over the last few decades.
But it doesn’t say that, at all.
Also, the fees per ticket for Taylor Swift were $22. Not cheap by any means, and a total rip off, again, at the fault of Ticketmaster. But let’s not throw around made up numbers if we’re trying to be factual.
I never thought the infographic was insinuating it was the artists fault.
Its the record companies and promotion companies and everyone else who uses capital to lay claim to any resources they can and then use that control to leverage greater and greater profits at the cost of everyone else.
In other words, capitalism.
I find your arguments sound and well-sourced, and I appreciate you sharing your experience.
Utterly unsure of where the controversy is, but those downdoots are lookin mighty. I think it's important for communists to do self-reflection like this. We have the truth on our side, and should be willing to criticize ourselves for accidentally spreading dis/misinformation. I've had to do it. I apologized and rectified my mistake to the people I misinformed, even though I agreed with the ideals what I shared presented. (In this case, the thing I shared was a completely believable mass shooter's alleged Facebook post about hating Asian women, right before he murdered them. The post was faked. It presented the shooter as a vile racist, which he most certainly was -- he killed 8 people, 6 of them being Asian women -- so why fucking fake it?
I'd wager to create traps for us to fall into, so we can be discredited and ignored. But I'm pretty paranoid.
The point is still the same when the true numbers are shown, and it still hits hard enough. There is absolutely no need to lie or exaggerate. Why did the creator of this graph?
More info about the price
"life is short and tomorrow is not guaranteed" is FOMO propaganda.
Okay so they used resale prices, AND based it off of average ticket cost for a show in San Francisco, one of the highest COL areas in the country?
That’s not making the logic they used any more sound….
They didn’t use the resale price, they mentioned how the resale price was 17 hundred. Also, all the prices are based in Cali for what I can see. So the point of capitalism driving the prices higher stands. Why are you so fervently defending capitalism?
I’m fervently defending not posting misinformation. Don’t get it twisted.
It is not misinformation based on the historical data of ticket prices of the region they are using. Your rant is to invalidate their point and to argue that capitalism isn’t as bad as the graph is showing.
You have no data to confirm that the historical data on ticket prices they used is also specific to the Bay Area, only the Taylor Swift ticket price.
You shared this because it aligns with your world view without taking a moment to consider the validity of the data, which is perfectly ironic considering how full-throated you are to try and make a piss-poor argument that I’m somehow trying to be an apologist for capitalism because I dared to challenge data that’s obviously incorrect.
Capitalism is plenty bad for a myriad of reasons, it doesn’t require false information to prove that point. Hyperbole does not strengthen an argument, it weakens it.
Do some self-reflection.
“Do some reflection” is so ironic from someone who kept repeating that they were using scalper/resale prices when the data right there said that those prices were higher than the ones that they were using in the graph $900 vs $1600.
It is more that the graph doesnt align with your world view and you are looking for excuses to tear it apart just so your point of view stays unshaken. That is shown by the fact that I provided the description that said that the price of resale tickets that they encountered was significantly higher than the one they used, yet you blatantly chose to ignore it, on the reply to the description. You didn't do any critical analysis. Yet you are here preaching me about critical analysis.
You say that capitalism is plenty of bad yet you keep undermining its effects. Sounds like revisionist bullshit to me.