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these folks sure are quiet these days (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world
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i can't even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.

edit: well they're not quiet now once they get called out

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[–] 0 points 2 years ago (15 children)

At least you tried, if you really did vote for Harris. That's more than most vocal "anti-genocide" types did to prevent this.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    I'm sure that will be of great comfort to me watching the Democratic party continue to capitulate to the Right over the next four years.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    More comforting that actively participating in it.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    I'll be sure to remember that when, in the spirit of bipartisanship, Democrats vote to remove my husband's access to HRT or revoke my cousins' citizenship because one of their parents was an Arab immigrant.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Whats your point? You would have felt better doing nothing at all? Guess we should all just sit down and give up because we got fucked over.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Nah, I've been doing local organizing and worrying about more than just the top of the ticket, and even past the elections. I supported the Uncommitted movement and was hoping that Harris would actually capitalize on the moment she had when she took over, and, yeah, I cast my vote for her for all the good it did. It's fucking sicking seeing so many sneer at the movement, and pat themselves on the back for having the moral superiority for voting for "the right person" while making so little of what is supposed to make them the right person happen. Being so unconcerned that the person they are so self congratulatory about was saying they would do the awful things and work with the awful people they've been saying are the greater of the two evils.

    Genuinely, why did the Democrats go so hard on the anti-immigration policy and cozy up with Liz "I am strongly pro-life and I am not pro-gay marriage" Cheney? How were they expecting to sell people on the lesser of two evils when they were trying to become what they thought "moderate Republicans" would vote for? I've done this song and dance with the Dems for two decades now. I know they don't value me, because they know I don't have another option in the race, but how am I supposed to be excited myself, let alone campaign at others and get them excited for another round of getting sold out?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    The problem with Democrats is that they see someone as evil as Trump, and their response isn't, "damn, that is an evil man. We should put that man in prison." Their reaction is, "damn. Look how evil that man is. Wait, this means we can get away with being incredibly evil ourselves! As long as we are slightly less corrupt and evil than him, we can shame people into voting for us!"

    They viewed Trump as an excuse for their own misbehavior rather more than anything else.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    That hasn't been my experience of Democrats so much as them using "at least we aren't as bad a the Republicans" as justification for not pushing to stop harm, holding to the status quo as hard as they can and "courageously" voting with the Republicans to "save" something while dismantling something else. It seems like the lionizing of mediocrity.

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  • [+] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)
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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    With respect, I do not believe that you are describing me here. I have friends and family effected by several issues, and who--if not lamenting their lost loved one--are in fear of losing either their loved ones or their own life. I am indeed in what I consider (hope?) to be a relatively safe part of the US where my state may go as far as to protect my friends, family and self from what the incoming administration has already said it wishes to do to me and mine. I am trying very hard to ensure the people around me are safe, and I hope that these efforts bear fruit for my community.

    I worked to the very last moment of the election to encourage Harris to come out in support of the Palestinians and, to my growing horror as the election progressed, the other victims of the growing conflict. I even did the "harm reduction" of voting for Harris' plan of gentle chastisement over the outright support and encouragement of Trump's, for all the good that my vote did.

    I will not apologize for my family and friends continued survival and not yet having lost anyone to my knowledge, and will not wish it on them. I hope that you or your loved ones do not experience more loss, and have the space to recover as much as possible from that which you have already experienced. And may we all make it through the hate and violence that have been planned and that those that claimed to stand against it actually do so when it matters.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    With respect

    Their comment is deleted, but I can tell you that they didn't deserve this.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I appreciate that they and their personal community is in pain at this moment, but I don't think they were justified in calling me and mine cowardly and hopelessly sheltered because I personally live in relative safety and am struggling with the helplessness of being unable to make enough of an impact to my government was called for. I don't want me and mine to go through such pain, but I am increasingly concerned that we will not be able to avoid it.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    A couple of things... First, this is where you are different than them. You will actually feel it when Trump escalates the genocide in Palestine. Those other people that were pushing people to not vote, don't give a shit. That already separates you from those people.

    Second, this is just based on my own personal understanding of fascism, and history, but I have a feeling that you are going to be nothing but disappointed with the Democrats moving forward. Because they will be controlled opposition. Assuming they continue to exist at all.

    They will exist as props to get nothing done, and become scapegoats for every problem the Republicans cause. So get used to that feeling. We are going to have much bigger things to worry about than political parties (assuming more than one exists).

    Third, to answer your original question, Harris had a very thin line to walk with regards to the topic of Israel/Palestine. I'm not sure if you are aware of the extent of the influence that AIPAC and the rest of the Israel lobby has on US politics (every side, does not matter), but it's extreme. Just look at what happened to Ilhan Omar when she dared to mention the $$ involved in their lobby. And it has just gotten worse since then.

    If Harris had come out in favor of ending the genocide, AIPAC would have ratfucked her and she would have lost. I think the fact that she signaled support for Muslims a day or two Election Day confirms this. It was the only way she could do it that wouldn't give AIPAC enough time to completely blow up her campaign.

    There was nothing she could have done, so she tried not to talk about it.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    I have people that I'm working with on the local scene who could not bring themselves to vote for Harris, even with how awful they knew Trump to be. I was able to vote, but I understand why they could and know that they still get out and do the work

    Being disappointed by Democrats is unfortunately nothing new for me. Two decades of it under my belt so far.

    Yeah, and what they've been doing to Rashida Tlaib has been sickening me. I have so much respect for what she's been doing, and seeing the Democratic Party trying to villainize her and her constituents has been disheartening.

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