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Because even if you side with the customer (or rather, the merchandise), at most the boss will fire you and replace you with another drone. Reddit is still laying off people, and you need a paycheck to live. That's how the economic system forces you into compliance.
Yeah, but one option perpetuates the problem by living on your knees and you acting out of complacent consent of the actions that LITERALLY YOU ARE DOING
[Please, note: what I'm going to say are my personal views, that should not be confused with the community views.]
Let's say that u/ModCodeOfConduct is a paid employee. And you are said employee. And that people have been pushing you to push your shitty pigboy boss.
Keep in mind the following issues:
What would you do? For most people the only viable choice is to comply. Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
The problem is only a problem because the vast majority of normal people believe it's helpless.
If all workers, say, organized, grew a pair, became French suddenly, or just decided 'fuck it' and immediately started fighting for any little thing, workers would suddenly be in power, much like how tech was a couple years ago when there was a huge quitting spree.
Scarcity, wether it be artificial or real, is the reason we're all scared. And the reason we have artificial scarcity (in tech) right now is because there's no coordination and scared or hungry people are willing to do that bidding for less and less.
It's the classic test of social cooperation. I think one of the Green brothers just talked about it in the past week or so somewhere? I can't remember how it goes, so I'll try to make it make sense:
You have four people playing a game together. They have a sheet of paper and a pencil, the paper is not see through and until they reveal the paper, nobody can see what anybody else has written.
The players can all write "trust" or "take" on their papers.
After they decide what to write, all papers are revealed.
Everybody starts at 0 points.
If everybody writes trust, everybody gets 2 points.
If two people write take, they each get 2 points and the two people that wrote trust get 0.
If only one person writes take, they get 4 points and everybody else gets 0.
If three people write take and one writes trust, the three people each get 1 point and the trust gets 0.
So that's really not at all how that goes i think, but you get the gist: if everybody stands up and doesn't coward out and chooses to trust everybody, the net take home is literally double. But if the more people that greed, the less available.
The gist is just that the system is only shitty because of selfish greed and fear and cowardice.
I looked it up, i guess there's a bunch of variants but the core game is called the dictator game?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictator_game
Which is a derivative of the "ultimatum game"?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimatum_game
They're all interesting and slightly different versions of the same game to see how shitty or good people are and what causes it. It's all psychology and economics. Highly suggest reading the dictator game's "variants" section, as it's pretty fascinating.
"Betrayal aversion" is a neat new term.
That's the main reasoning behind Marxism. I don't disagree with it (far from that!), but it works on a macro- scale, where a social class changes the socio-economic structure. Specific, individual cases - like a single paid employee - are better handled by Tragedy of the Commons*, where each individual agent (in this case, the employee) is looking for the best outcome for himself alone, and expect others to do the same.
Even then, your point makes me rethink a bit on the morality of the person behind u/ModCodeOfConduct, as well as the idea of pressing that person to press their boss. You've made me change my mind - perhaps it would be indeed better to "encourage" the person to tell spez to fuck off.
*since you like those economics "games", you'll probably aware of the Tragedy of the Commons, and the closely related Prisoner's Dilemma.
I'm a sucker for this sort of stuff, so thanks for the rec!
Yeah, absolutely!
Yeah you gotta at least give them an out. Always.
I AM :) actually aware of the tragedy of the Commons, and I think the prisoners dilemma is a lot closer to what I was thinking of initially than the dictator game.
Total sidenote, I actually just went to Reddit again for the first time in several days to check on the status of baconreader, the app I used for a very long time, since the app devs only post info there, on their subreddit for some reason. They're shuttering on the 30th, removing the app from all the stores, and not currently planning a lemmy/kbin app, which is super sad because I love their ux design. It's so strange seeing all the posts saying goodbye and thanks with all the champagne emojis and tears.