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This shit is why we had those threads too. It really fucking makes the weeds stick out. And maybe friendly fire happened sometimes, and unfortunately for Gribbli's friend it was a strongly negative experience, but look what happens when some comrades are confronted with it. That's why TC69 had a cult of personality. Because she has a point.
Look, I don't really have a stake in the particular disagreement here about affirmations, but the one thing does not follow from the other here. People don't deserve a cult of personality because they are right about things sometimes. That's how you get literal cults. Even figures who have contributed an enormous amount to the global struggle of liberation, such as Mao, Lenin, Castro, they still don't deserve a cult of personality. They just deserve respect for their contributions and it makes sense to look at what they did that worked to see how it can be applied to a modern day context, within a person's specific locale. And depending on where you live, it might make sense to honor them as a representation of liberation and the ongoing revolutionary struggle. But no one, living or dead, is above criticism and people who are right some of the time are also wrong at times too. Some of the most effective revolutionaries can still make terrible decisions.
Resist putting people on a pedestal in "great person theory" style. People can in very rare cases be symbols of an example to live up to, but in the day to day, they are still normal human beings. It's healthier to elevate a process or technique as exemplary and maintain people's humanity as something realistic and grounded. A cult of personality perspective would have us rejecting hand-washing if it came out that scientists who figured out germs were terrible people. I think of that satire article "Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point". Whether someone has good ideas sometimes or does good things sometimes, does not necessarily mean anything about what they will do going forward. We are human, not a computer program. There are computer programs that can predictably do the same thing each time they run. Humans just aren't built that way and we will never be industrial factory-grade machines, no matter how much we get dehumanized and portrayed that way.
You're right tbh
It rarely came up and ofc this being Hexbear it's tangled in like 7 layers of irony and sincerity, but the vibe I always got was that "TC69 thought" was beyond criticism and everyone who did have something to say in response was either in the group of transphobe wreckers who got purged by her (based, good (that they got purged)) and anyone left from that time who still remembered it, besides the """"legends"""" about her making everyone read based books, had stopped challenging it cuz of the aforementioned dogpiling
Until today, now it seems TC69 has stepped down again, deleted her account, and her partner has been banned and people are talking about it and criticising her in the YET-ANOTHER megathread
Wild day in niche bear-themed web forum history, the TC69 cult of personality has fallen?
I hope all this shit is entertaining to the Lemmygradians at least lmao
I just hope you get a resolution that is to the benefit of hexbear users. 🙏 I know for some people, these places are a serious part of their lives, no matter whether it involves some shitposting too, and I wouldn't want that to get messed up by mismanagement or irony poisoning or whatnot.
Same here, ty
Had one of our just-unbanned users drop a rly heartfelt reply about how the site helped her realize she was trans and get through some rly bad times in her life and it upset her a lot to see the behavior of some of the admins
It's rly silly drama but the site has legit helped people
Okay I gotta log off fr now, am tired and this is starting to loop back around from upsetting to hilarious lol, bad state to be in for sincere talking and I spend enough energy on this
Edit: Post I mentioned is here if you wanna read: https://hexbear.net/comment/5618885
Rest well!