▲ 982 ▼ The doctor then had to go and treat that lawyer for being a burn victim (lemmy.dbzer0.com) submitted 2 years ago by SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world 36 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 40 points 2 years ago (1 child) Funny and technically perjury. permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 33 points 2 years ago (2 children) Would it really be (serious question, as I dont know a whole lot about legal matters)? My limited understanding was that perjury is lying under oath, and sarcasm, while it does involve saying untrue statements, isnt considered lying in everyday speech because what it actually communicates is the opposite of the literal meaning of the words. Since laws deal with humans and not computers, my assumption would be that it probably works in such a way as to depend on what message a person is actually communicating rather than the precise syntax by which they communicate it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Sarcasm does not fly in court. Everything you say can and will be used against you. You do not have to be the defendant for that to apply. I sat through a lot of civil cases. Most of the people who lost, lost because they were being sarcastic. Sometimes, their LAWYER would take up this attitude, but judges are people, and they DO NOT like attitude. I was specifically a witness and sat through a lot of cases. This hit home for me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Most of the people who lost, lost because they were being sarcastic. What a complete and utter rubbish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That was my experience. You also have to remember I I was in civil court. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You made a general statement that MOST of people lost their cases just because they were sarcastic. This is utter tosh. Judges may not like sarcasm, no argument here. But to say that most people lost due to sarcasm is a complete nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) That is what I said, yes. I had to sit through everyone else's cases. If they were rude, they lost. Most of them that lost were rude. Edit: I am giving you my anecdotal experience that was across 30+ cases. It was a lot. That's why I'm fairly confident in my assertion. If you want to give me stats, I'll listen. Otherwise, you just seem combative. I even remember several example cases I could give you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 point 2 years ago There should be a counterpart to “copaganda” for legal shows and media that depict the court as a pristine, high-stakes, yet ultimately fair process. It's intriguing to witness people's initial confrontations with corruption in this context—I understand their defensiveness, as the introduction of cognitive dissonance can be super uncomfortable. On another note, it's disheartening to consider how what you experienced likely contributes to the disproportionate legal contempt faced by POC compared to white individuals. Perceptions of rudeness vary widely across cultures, which can definitely influence systemic racism in the legal system. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Yup, let's double down on your nonsense and your lack of understanding correlation and causation 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) I'm asking for stats? Prove your point with better evidence or move on ass hole. You haven't provided any evidence for your argument. You've just been argumentative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Keep digging. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 2 years ago Sarcasm is pretty much by definition lying to insult someone or something. Best case scenario the judge holds you in contempt of court. Worst case you go to prison for perjury. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 33 points 2 years ago (2 children) Would it really be (serious question, as I dont know a whole lot about legal matters)? My limited understanding was that perjury is lying under oath, and sarcasm, while it does involve saying untrue statements, isnt considered lying in everyday speech because what it actually communicates is the opposite of the literal meaning of the words. Since laws deal with humans and not computers, my assumption would be that it probably works in such a way as to depend on what message a person is actually communicating rather than the precise syntax by which they communicate it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Sarcasm does not fly in court. Everything you say can and will be used against you. You do not have to be the defendant for that to apply. I sat through a lot of civil cases. Most of the people who lost, lost because they were being sarcastic. Sometimes, their LAWYER would take up this attitude, but judges are people, and they DO NOT like attitude. I was specifically a witness and sat through a lot of cases. This hit home for me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Most of the people who lost, lost because they were being sarcastic. What a complete and utter rubbish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That was my experience. You also have to remember I I was in civil court. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You made a general statement that MOST of people lost their cases just because they were sarcastic. This is utter tosh. Judges may not like sarcasm, no argument here. But to say that most people lost due to sarcasm is a complete nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) That is what I said, yes. I had to sit through everyone else's cases. If they were rude, they lost. Most of them that lost were rude. Edit: I am giving you my anecdotal experience that was across 30+ cases. It was a lot. That's why I'm fairly confident in my assertion. If you want to give me stats, I'll listen. Otherwise, you just seem combative. I even remember several example cases I could give you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 point 2 years ago There should be a counterpart to “copaganda” for legal shows and media that depict the court as a pristine, high-stakes, yet ultimately fair process. It's intriguing to witness people's initial confrontations with corruption in this context—I understand their defensiveness, as the introduction of cognitive dissonance can be super uncomfortable. On another note, it's disheartening to consider how what you experienced likely contributes to the disproportionate legal contempt faced by POC compared to white individuals. Perceptions of rudeness vary widely across cultures, which can definitely influence systemic racism in the legal system. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Yup, let's double down on your nonsense and your lack of understanding correlation and causation 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) I'm asking for stats? Prove your point with better evidence or move on ass hole. You haven't provided any evidence for your argument. You've just been argumentative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Keep digging. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 2 years ago Sarcasm is pretty much by definition lying to insult someone or something. Best case scenario the judge holds you in contempt of court. Worst case you go to prison for perjury. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Sarcasm does not fly in court. Everything you say can and will be used against you. You do not have to be the defendant for that to apply. I sat through a lot of civil cases. Most of the people who lost, lost because they were being sarcastic. Sometimes, their LAWYER would take up this attitude, but judges are people, and they DO NOT like attitude. I was specifically a witness and sat through a lot of cases. This hit home for me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Most of the people who lost, lost because they were being sarcastic. What a complete and utter rubbish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That was my experience. You also have to remember I I was in civil court. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You made a general statement that MOST of people lost their cases just because they were sarcastic. This is utter tosh. Judges may not like sarcasm, no argument here. But to say that most people lost due to sarcasm is a complete nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) That is what I said, yes. I had to sit through everyone else's cases. If they were rude, they lost. Most of them that lost were rude. Edit: I am giving you my anecdotal experience that was across 30+ cases. It was a lot. That's why I'm fairly confident in my assertion. If you want to give me stats, I'll listen. Otherwise, you just seem combative. I even remember several example cases I could give you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 point 2 years ago There should be a counterpart to “copaganda” for legal shows and media that depict the court as a pristine, high-stakes, yet ultimately fair process. It's intriguing to witness people's initial confrontations with corruption in this context—I understand their defensiveness, as the introduction of cognitive dissonance can be super uncomfortable. On another note, it's disheartening to consider how what you experienced likely contributes to the disproportionate legal contempt faced by POC compared to white individuals. Perceptions of rudeness vary widely across cultures, which can definitely influence systemic racism in the legal system. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Yup, let's double down on your nonsense and your lack of understanding correlation and causation 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) I'm asking for stats? Prove your point with better evidence or move on ass hole. You haven't provided any evidence for your argument. You've just been argumentative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Keep digging. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Most of the people who lost, lost because they were being sarcastic. What a complete and utter rubbish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That was my experience. You also have to remember I I was in civil court. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You made a general statement that MOST of people lost their cases just because they were sarcastic. This is utter tosh. Judges may not like sarcasm, no argument here. But to say that most people lost due to sarcasm is a complete nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) That is what I said, yes. I had to sit through everyone else's cases. If they were rude, they lost. Most of them that lost were rude. Edit: I am giving you my anecdotal experience that was across 30+ cases. It was a lot. That's why I'm fairly confident in my assertion. If you want to give me stats, I'll listen. Otherwise, you just seem combative. I even remember several example cases I could give you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 point 2 years ago There should be a counterpart to “copaganda” for legal shows and media that depict the court as a pristine, high-stakes, yet ultimately fair process. It's intriguing to witness people's initial confrontations with corruption in this context—I understand their defensiveness, as the introduction of cognitive dissonance can be super uncomfortable. On another note, it's disheartening to consider how what you experienced likely contributes to the disproportionate legal contempt faced by POC compared to white individuals. Perceptions of rudeness vary widely across cultures, which can definitely influence systemic racism in the legal system. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Yup, let's double down on your nonsense and your lack of understanding correlation and causation 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) I'm asking for stats? Prove your point with better evidence or move on ass hole. You haven't provided any evidence for your argument. You've just been argumentative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Keep digging. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That was my experience. You also have to remember I I was in civil court. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You made a general statement that MOST of people lost their cases just because they were sarcastic. This is utter tosh. Judges may not like sarcasm, no argument here. But to say that most people lost due to sarcasm is a complete nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) That is what I said, yes. I had to sit through everyone else's cases. If they were rude, they lost. Most of them that lost were rude. Edit: I am giving you my anecdotal experience that was across 30+ cases. It was a lot. That's why I'm fairly confident in my assertion. If you want to give me stats, I'll listen. Otherwise, you just seem combative. I even remember several example cases I could give you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 point 2 years ago There should be a counterpart to “copaganda” for legal shows and media that depict the court as a pristine, high-stakes, yet ultimately fair process. It's intriguing to witness people's initial confrontations with corruption in this context—I understand their defensiveness, as the introduction of cognitive dissonance can be super uncomfortable. On another note, it's disheartening to consider how what you experienced likely contributes to the disproportionate legal contempt faced by POC compared to white individuals. Perceptions of rudeness vary widely across cultures, which can definitely influence systemic racism in the legal system. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Yup, let's double down on your nonsense and your lack of understanding correlation and causation 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) I'm asking for stats? Prove your point with better evidence or move on ass hole. You haven't provided any evidence for your argument. You've just been argumentative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Keep digging. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You made a general statement that MOST of people lost their cases just because they were sarcastic. This is utter tosh. Judges may not like sarcasm, no argument here. But to say that most people lost due to sarcasm is a complete nonsense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) That is what I said, yes. I had to sit through everyone else's cases. If they were rude, they lost. Most of them that lost were rude. Edit: I am giving you my anecdotal experience that was across 30+ cases. It was a lot. That's why I'm fairly confident in my assertion. If you want to give me stats, I'll listen. Otherwise, you just seem combative. I even remember several example cases I could give you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 point 2 years ago There should be a counterpart to “copaganda” for legal shows and media that depict the court as a pristine, high-stakes, yet ultimately fair process. It's intriguing to witness people's initial confrontations with corruption in this context—I understand their defensiveness, as the introduction of cognitive dissonance can be super uncomfortable. On another note, it's disheartening to consider how what you experienced likely contributes to the disproportionate legal contempt faced by POC compared to white individuals. Perceptions of rudeness vary widely across cultures, which can definitely influence systemic racism in the legal system. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Yup, let's double down on your nonsense and your lack of understanding correlation and causation 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) I'm asking for stats? Prove your point with better evidence or move on ass hole. You haven't provided any evidence for your argument. You've just been argumentative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Keep digging. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) That is what I said, yes. I had to sit through everyone else's cases. If they were rude, they lost. Most of them that lost were rude. Edit: I am giving you my anecdotal experience that was across 30+ cases. It was a lot. That's why I'm fairly confident in my assertion. If you want to give me stats, I'll listen. Otherwise, you just seem combative. I even remember several example cases I could give you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 point 2 years ago There should be a counterpart to “copaganda” for legal shows and media that depict the court as a pristine, high-stakes, yet ultimately fair process. It's intriguing to witness people's initial confrontations with corruption in this context—I understand their defensiveness, as the introduction of cognitive dissonance can be super uncomfortable. On another note, it's disheartening to consider how what you experienced likely contributes to the disproportionate legal contempt faced by POC compared to white individuals. Perceptions of rudeness vary widely across cultures, which can definitely influence systemic racism in the legal system. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Yup, let's double down on your nonsense and your lack of understanding correlation and causation 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) I'm asking for stats? Prove your point with better evidence or move on ass hole. You haven't provided any evidence for your argument. You've just been argumentative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Keep digging. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 point 2 years ago There should be a counterpart to “copaganda” for legal shows and media that depict the court as a pristine, high-stakes, yet ultimately fair process. It's intriguing to witness people's initial confrontations with corruption in this context—I understand their defensiveness, as the introduction of cognitive dissonance can be super uncomfortable. On another note, it's disheartening to consider how what you experienced likely contributes to the disproportionate legal contempt faced by POC compared to white individuals. Perceptions of rudeness vary widely across cultures, which can definitely influence systemic racism in the legal system. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Yup, let's double down on your nonsense and your lack of understanding correlation and causation 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) I'm asking for stats? Prove your point with better evidence or move on ass hole. You haven't provided any evidence for your argument. You've just been argumentative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Keep digging. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) I'm asking for stats? Prove your point with better evidence or move on ass hole. You haven't provided any evidence for your argument. You've just been argumentative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Keep digging. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 2 years ago Sarcasm is pretty much by definition lying to insult someone or something. Best case scenario the judge holds you in contempt of court. Worst case you go to prison for perjury. permalink fedilink source parent
