▲ 2065 ▼ Stuck in the middle with you (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world to c/whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works 293 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 56 points 2 years ago (4 children) So, programmers != IT professionals, huh... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] sploosh@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) IT professionals are more the folks that install and maintain large scale computer systems and networks, like a company's IT department or MSP. Programming is closer to engineering. Software engineering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* "IT professional" does typically lean more towards that yes, but it also encompasses software developers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago If they work professionally in IT, then they're by definition "IT Professionals". Absolutelly, the definition of "IT Professional" starts at lower (or maybe the correct term would be "more generic, maintenance-oriented and less specialized") levels of domain expertise than "Software Developer" and most people out there's contact with an "IT Professional" won't include a software developer (even in the average business, which is unlikely to directly use Programmers but will almost certainly use the services of System Administrators and Network Engineers), but saying they're not IT Professionals would be a bit like saying that the people who design cars aren't Auto Industry Professionals, only Car Mechanics are. Mind you, I don't disagree that Programming is closer to Engineering: my point is that Engineering IT Systems is still a profession in IT, just like car design (in the technical sense) is both an Engineering practice and a profession in the Auto Industry. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aniki@lemmings.world 0 points 2 years ago I work in devops..... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sploosh@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) IT professionals are more the folks that install and maintain large scale computer systems and networks, like a company's IT department or MSP. Programming is closer to engineering. Software engineering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* "IT professional" does typically lean more towards that yes, but it also encompasses software developers. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago If they work professionally in IT, then they're by definition "IT Professionals". Absolutelly, the definition of "IT Professional" starts at lower (or maybe the correct term would be "more generic, maintenance-oriented and less specialized") levels of domain expertise than "Software Developer" and most people out there's contact with an "IT Professional" won't include a software developer (even in the average business, which is unlikely to directly use Programmers but will almost certainly use the services of System Administrators and Network Engineers), but saying they're not IT Professionals would be a bit like saying that the people who design cars aren't Auto Industry Professionals, only Car Mechanics are. Mind you, I don't disagree that Programming is closer to Engineering: my point is that Engineering IT Systems is still a profession in IT, just like car design (in the technical sense) is both an Engineering practice and a profession in the Auto Industry. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aniki@lemmings.world 0 points 2 years ago I work in devops..... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* "IT professional" does typically lean more towards that yes, but it also encompasses software developers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago If they work professionally in IT, then they're by definition "IT Professionals". Absolutelly, the definition of "IT Professional" starts at lower (or maybe the correct term would be "more generic, maintenance-oriented and less specialized") levels of domain expertise than "Software Developer" and most people out there's contact with an "IT Professional" won't include a software developer (even in the average business, which is unlikely to directly use Programmers but will almost certainly use the services of System Administrators and Network Engineers), but saying they're not IT Professionals would be a bit like saying that the people who design cars aren't Auto Industry Professionals, only Car Mechanics are. Mind you, I don't disagree that Programming is closer to Engineering: my point is that Engineering IT Systems is still a profession in IT, just like car design (in the technical sense) is both an Engineering practice and a profession in the Auto Industry. permalink fedilink source parent