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[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

It's called countable and uncountable infinity. the idea here is that there are uncountably many numbers between 1 and 2, while there are only countably infinite natural numbers. it actually makes sense when you think about it. let's assume for a moment that the numbers between 1 and 2 are the same "size" of infinity as the natural numbers. If that were true, you'd be able to map every number between 1 and 2 to a natural number. but here's the thing, say you map some number "a" to 22 and another number "b" to 23. Now take the average of these two numbers, (a + b)/2 = c the number "c" is still between 1 and 2, but it hasnโ€™t been mapped to any natural number. this means that there are more numbers between 1 and 2 than there are natural numbers proving that the infinity of real numbers is a different, larger kind of infinity than the infinity of the natural numbers

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago

Great explanation by the way.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

I get that, but it's kinda the same as saying "I dare you!" ; "I dare you to infinity!" ; "nuh uh, I dare you to double infinity!"

Sure it's more theoretically, but not really functionally more.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

It's like when you say something is full. Double full doesn't mean anything, but there's still a difference between full of marbles and full of sand depending what you're trying to deduce. There's functional applications for this comparison. We could theoretically say there's twice as much sand than marbles in "full" if were interested in "counting".

The same way we have this idea of full, we have the idea of infinity which can affect certain mathematics. Full doesn't tell you the size of the container, it's a concept. A bucket twice as large is still full, so there are different kinds of full like we have different kinds of infinity.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

When talking about infinity, basically everything is theoretical

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

but not really functionally more.

Please show me a functional infinity

[โ€“] [email protected] -1 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Your explanation is wrong. There is no reason to believe that "c" has no mapping.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

because I assumed continuous mapping the number c is between a and b it means if it has to be mapped to a natural number the natural number has to be between 22 and 23 but there is no natural number between 22 and 23 , it means c is not mapped to anything

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Yeah, OP seems to be assuming a continuous mapping. It still works if you don't, but the standard way to prove it is the more abstract "diagonal argument".

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

Give me an example of a mapping system for the numbers between 1 and 2 where if you take the average of any 2 sequentially mapped numbers, the number in-between is also mapped.