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[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 97 points 2 years ago (5 children) Guess what! Food is also a human right! permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] SatyrSack@feddit.org [S] 89 points 2 years ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You tell ‘em, Quark! permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago Fun fact: the US is one of the only countries in the world that does not recognise food as a human right permalink fedilink source parent [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (5 children) The difference is that “food” isn’t something that falls out of the sky or simply exists in its final form in nature. It is farmed, processed, and packaged for market. Water, by itself, is natural and in its final form (sans boiling away impurities). It also falls from the sky. The problem comes up that companies like Nestle have “water rights” that some argue they shouldn’t have that prohibit use of publicly available water for anybody but Nestle. Personally, I don’t see a problem with a company profiting off of the packaging, marketing, and distribution of bottled water. The problem I have is that companies should not be allowed to take as much water as they want, especially if it hurts public interest. I also have issue with states restricting a persons ability to capture and use rain water. Kind of hypocritical that I cannot capture rain water and sell it, but Nestle can siphon of millions of gallons of water from a public water source and everyone is expected to be okay with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] TheSambassador@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean... Some food does literally just exist and we go out and eat it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] irmoz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Not as part of a normal life. Or at least, I don't see many people carrying baskets of freshly picked apples around. Your point is true, though, even if a bit impractical for most. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kmaismith@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) When we culturally embrace that food is a market item, not a right, then we systemically avoid maintaining or enabling sources of food that violate market principles: say, for example, keeping fruit trees in public parks, and making excess farm production available to the public permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] irmoz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah that's kinda key to my my point permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* "Well fuck me then, eh?" -Thousands of species of edible plants permalink fedilink source parent [–] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Rainwater capture isn't about you and I and some 50-gallon drums, your article even talks about reasonable use. The idea is to stop assholes from changing/diverting waterways. There was an ass somewhere out West that was prosecuted, acting like he was a simple man getting the government shaft. He was collecting so much he dried up a creek that downstream farmers depended on. Funny enough, I looked up Florida and apparently we not only encourage rainwater collection, some municipalities offer incentives! Weird. Now if it would only rain... permalink fedilink source parent [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have a fig tree in my backyard that says you're wrong permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sirblastalot@ttrpg.network 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) May I direct you to the first two words of your post? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I didn't plant it. It exists in it's final form in nature. I just occasionally grab a fig when I'm hungry and nearby. You can too if you like. permalink fedilink source parent [+] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SatyrSack@feddit.org [S] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) Guess what! Also, as an aside, thank you for using an exclamation point. As a licensed and registered pedant, it always bugs me to see a question mark on a statement/command. "Guess what?" is a common offender. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm going to need to see that license permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatyrSack@feddit.org [S] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) I... forgot my wallet at home, constable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] casmael@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) suspect evaded arrest and made off with a whole bag of punctuation marks. Headed northwest into a series of tunnels. Requesting backup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] casmael@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Believe it or not permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* I have used both in the past, interpreting it as "did(n't) you know!?" But I take your point, it's really an order. I shall see that I don't offend in the future. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Water already is too, via the Geneva convention, and other human rights treaties/laws. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SatyrSack@feddit.org [S] 89 points 2 years ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You tell ‘em, Quark! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago You tell ‘em, Quark! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago Fun fact: the US is one of the only countries in the world that does not recognise food as a human right permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (5 children) The difference is that “food” isn’t something that falls out of the sky or simply exists in its final form in nature. It is farmed, processed, and packaged for market. Water, by itself, is natural and in its final form (sans boiling away impurities). It also falls from the sky. The problem comes up that companies like Nestle have “water rights” that some argue they shouldn’t have that prohibit use of publicly available water for anybody but Nestle. Personally, I don’t see a problem with a company profiting off of the packaging, marketing, and distribution of bottled water. The problem I have is that companies should not be allowed to take as much water as they want, especially if it hurts public interest. I also have issue with states restricting a persons ability to capture and use rain water. Kind of hypocritical that I cannot capture rain water and sell it, but Nestle can siphon of millions of gallons of water from a public water source and everyone is expected to be okay with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] TheSambassador@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean... Some food does literally just exist and we go out and eat it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] irmoz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Not as part of a normal life. Or at least, I don't see many people carrying baskets of freshly picked apples around. Your point is true, though, even if a bit impractical for most. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kmaismith@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) When we culturally embrace that food is a market item, not a right, then we systemically avoid maintaining or enabling sources of food that violate market principles: say, for example, keeping fruit trees in public parks, and making excess farm production available to the public permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] irmoz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah that's kinda key to my my point permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* "Well fuck me then, eh?" -Thousands of species of edible plants permalink fedilink source parent [–] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Rainwater capture isn't about you and I and some 50-gallon drums, your article even talks about reasonable use. The idea is to stop assholes from changing/diverting waterways. There was an ass somewhere out West that was prosecuted, acting like he was a simple man getting the government shaft. He was collecting so much he dried up a creek that downstream farmers depended on. Funny enough, I looked up Florida and apparently we not only encourage rainwater collection, some municipalities offer incentives! Weird. Now if it would only rain... permalink fedilink source parent [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have a fig tree in my backyard that says you're wrong permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sirblastalot@ttrpg.network 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) May I direct you to the first two words of your post? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I didn't plant it. It exists in it's final form in nature. I just occasionally grab a fig when I'm hungry and nearby. You can too if you like. permalink fedilink source parent [+] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheSambassador@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean... Some food does literally just exist and we go out and eat it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] irmoz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Not as part of a normal life. Or at least, I don't see many people carrying baskets of freshly picked apples around. Your point is true, though, even if a bit impractical for most. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kmaismith@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) When we culturally embrace that food is a market item, not a right, then we systemically avoid maintaining or enabling sources of food that violate market principles: say, for example, keeping fruit trees in public parks, and making excess farm production available to the public permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] irmoz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah that's kinda key to my my point permalink fedilink source parent
[–] irmoz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Not as part of a normal life. Or at least, I don't see many people carrying baskets of freshly picked apples around. Your point is true, though, even if a bit impractical for most. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kmaismith@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) When we culturally embrace that food is a market item, not a right, then we systemically avoid maintaining or enabling sources of food that violate market principles: say, for example, keeping fruit trees in public parks, and making excess farm production available to the public permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] irmoz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah that's kinda key to my my point permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kmaismith@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) When we culturally embrace that food is a market item, not a right, then we systemically avoid maintaining or enabling sources of food that violate market principles: say, for example, keeping fruit trees in public parks, and making excess farm production available to the public permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] irmoz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah that's kinda key to my my point permalink fedilink source parent
[–] irmoz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah that's kinda key to my my point permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* "Well fuck me then, eh?" -Thousands of species of edible plants permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Rainwater capture isn't about you and I and some 50-gallon drums, your article even talks about reasonable use. The idea is to stop assholes from changing/diverting waterways. There was an ass somewhere out West that was prosecuted, acting like he was a simple man getting the government shaft. He was collecting so much he dried up a creek that downstream farmers depended on. Funny enough, I looked up Florida and apparently we not only encourage rainwater collection, some municipalities offer incentives! Weird. Now if it would only rain... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have a fig tree in my backyard that says you're wrong permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sirblastalot@ttrpg.network 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) May I direct you to the first two words of your post? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I didn't plant it. It exists in it's final form in nature. I just occasionally grab a fig when I'm hungry and nearby. You can too if you like. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sirblastalot@ttrpg.network 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) May I direct you to the first two words of your post? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I didn't plant it. It exists in it's final form in nature. I just occasionally grab a fig when I'm hungry and nearby. You can too if you like. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I didn't plant it. It exists in it's final form in nature. I just occasionally grab a fig when I'm hungry and nearby. You can too if you like. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SatyrSack@feddit.org [S] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) Guess what! Also, as an aside, thank you for using an exclamation point. As a licensed and registered pedant, it always bugs me to see a question mark on a statement/command. "Guess what?" is a common offender. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm going to need to see that license permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatyrSack@feddit.org [S] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) I... forgot my wallet at home, constable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] casmael@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) suspect evaded arrest and made off with a whole bag of punctuation marks. Headed northwest into a series of tunnels. Requesting backup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] casmael@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Believe it or not permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* I have used both in the past, interpreting it as "did(n't) you know!?" But I take your point, it's really an order. I shall see that I don't offend in the future. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm going to need to see that license permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SatyrSack@feddit.org [S] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) I... forgot my wallet at home, constable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] casmael@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) suspect evaded arrest and made off with a whole bag of punctuation marks. Headed northwest into a series of tunnels. Requesting backup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] casmael@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Believe it or not permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SatyrSack@feddit.org [S] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) I... forgot my wallet at home, constable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] casmael@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) suspect evaded arrest and made off with a whole bag of punctuation marks. Headed northwest into a series of tunnels. Requesting backup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] casmael@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Believe it or not permalink fedilink source parent
[–] casmael@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) suspect evaded arrest and made off with a whole bag of punctuation marks. Headed northwest into a series of tunnels. Requesting backup. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] casmael@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Believe it or not permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] casmael@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Believe it or not permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* I have used both in the past, interpreting it as "did(n't) you know!?" But I take your point, it's really an order. I shall see that I don't offend in the future. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Water already is too, via the Geneva convention, and other human rights treaties/laws. permalink fedilink source parent