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God fucking damnit I hate these people

I'm mainly posting this to vent,and I would recommend that you don't watch that video unless you want a lethal dose of NATO bootlicking beamed straight into your frontal cortex

But holy mother of god are these people making my blood boil

The constant trashing of our past,the disgustingly pathetic way they praise the more "westernized" and "Nordic" countries in here,the fucking EU bootlicking, cheering on the slaughter of Ukraine and Pooh Poohing Russia as if it's the main villain,it drives me nuts! This mf slave to the west is a Georgian,so he is especially obnoxious, considering his country was the proto-Ukraine and he has a chip on his shoulder about that. My god,I don't wanna sound insensitive or racist,but I just have to ask,is this how POC feel when they see other POC going to bat for the democrats? I truly don't mean to equate our struggle with theirs,but god damn,I feel like these people are so mentally colonized that they can't see a future where they aren't at the beck and call of the West. And it's like,YOU SHOULD FUCKING KNOW BETTER,YOU FUCK,YOU LIVED HERE!YOU SAW WHAT SHOCK THERAPY DID TO US,HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU CONTINUE TO SING THE PRAISES OF THE EU AND NATO?

I'm sorry if this post doesn't fit the comm,but god fucking damnit are these people insufferable,him and that Living Ironically fuck, constantly shitting on communism but praising the public transport (WHICH THE COMMIES BUILT!) and other tomfuckery. The one video that really made me lose my shit was when the Living guy (serbo-hungarian) shat on the legacy of Tito and Yugoslavia as a whole, that one was a bridge too far for me. Shit on Ceausescu,fine,he was no great angel,USSR hate I'm used to,but you,as a serb,who was born in Serbia,to shit on the most impressive success story of the balkans and trash the amazing progress that was done then just because you didn't have the treats of today and the ability to desert your country and flee to the busom of empire fucking makes me not only ashamed,but impossibly angry.

This part of the globe is nothing special,we aren't the center of it,and we are not free from the worst exceses of the West either,we practically keep the Roma population as an underclass and we gladly killed off our Jewish population and collaborated with the Hun(not Gary,but the sauerkraut eating one), not to mention the appalling misogyny and anti LGBTQ sentiment that practically permeates the air around here,but god damn,can't we look for a way to address these issues and fix them without getting dogwalked by the West? FOR FUCKS SAKE,SOME PROGRESS WAS DONE UNDER SOCIALISM EVEN,AND WE JUST TOSSED IT OUT! But no, fuck that, let's keep doing the funny stealing and ethnic cleansing jokes while gargling on the western boot! No pride whatever about the accomplishments we actually had,no desire to actually see the place get better beyond le corruption bad lol,no vision for the future.

I'm sorry this became a rant,but I needed a place to unload. If there's a better comm to post this in,I'd be glad to delete the post. And I'm glad to delete it if my comparison to the struggle of POC in America is in poor taste.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's intentional and this is the collective neurosis that the West's victor's justice deliberately has strived to impose onto the peoples of European formerly existing socialism as punishment for having once made the choice of socialism. Because it is quite telling that this is something that only really occurs in the former socialist states. It's something I've also thought about for quite some time and I've written some thoughts about it before:

The aim is to ensure that only the history of the west is worth being proud of. In the former socialist countries of Central and Eastern Europe, the educational curriculum drills in the historical shame of the socialist half-century, ensuring that the people will always feel wretched about their socialist past while the west still gets to parade around Cold War war criminal Presidents, Prime Ministers and Chancellors as their heroes "with flaws." The end result is that the past of former socialist states today is a blank nihilistic void with nothing of dignity to draw upon except going back centuries to fawn over inbred royalty or those Nazi-collaborationist freaks who terrorized their forefathers for their choice of socialism or just outright Westanbetung - "West worship."

In the former DDR, it's no surprise that the choice has become the far-right AfD. In this societal self-flagellation where the "Stasi" past is denounced, there's not even some "post-Nazism redemption story" to grasp, like the fiction which the BRD parades around, because the socialist past is consigned to oblivion, equated almost on par with Hitler-fascism. Consequently, the only source of historical self-worth for many then can only inevitably come from LARPing as generic white people and importing American far-right and neo-Nazism as mimicry, vicariously associating with "Europe" and "the West" for that sense of post-socialist Europe pride that comes from being patted on the shoulder as being "semi-white" and "semi-European," which has become the principal aspiration for those people.

In the last months of the DDR, the BRD's wannabe Reagan-in-lederhosen Kohl once shouted during a CDU election rally: "Nie wieder Sozialismus" - "Never again socialism." In retrospect, it was not just some campaign slogan, but a promise for each and every person who onced lived on the lands where actual socialism in Europe once existed. Every waking day since capitalist restoration, they've sought to fulfill that promise chiefly through the suppression of the memory that once upon a time, European soil - which has now become the bedrock for renewed fascism and white supremacist lackey-ism towards the US - on that soil, socialism once stood.

There was once an alternative for Europe beyond the pathetic vicarious imperialist nostalgia of every successive generation spending their entire time just endless fantasizing about having once enslaved the rest of the planet and turning its guns against our own species. That choice was the actually existing existence of (actual) European socialism.

For the DDR, when the real "alternative for Germany"—which will always be socialism—is pushed out of collective memory and condemned, it creates an inevitable spiral towards fascism. When people are deeply dissatisfied yet led to believe that a genuine leftward shift isn’t just unlikely but unimaginable—thanks to the forced forgetting of Germany’s socialist history and the DDR—they don’t realize that there are actually two paths. Instead, they can only see the right path, making it seem like their only option is to move right. In truth, it's no wonder they start leaning toward fascism in the form of the AfD. This phenomenon was evident in the past with the suppression of the KPD during Hitler-fascism, and it has reemerged once again today.

When you humiliate and degrade the "Ossi" by portraying them as a people without dignity and claiming their history is entirely one of shame and repression, it inevitably fosters a kind of collective neurosis. If the DDR is dismissed as irrelevant, then the values of human dignity, fraternity, and internationalism that it promoted are also erased from memory. This induced disconnect is the real source of both the rise of "far-right East Germany" today and the plain outright servility towards the West that characterizes formerly socialist Europe today.

If your own contemporary history has nothing of "value" then it's obvious that the best you can do is to worm yourself into vicariously associating with the West, ingratiating yourself in the club by volunteering to debase your own culture and history on their behalf, and hoping this association with the West rubs off on you by having the definitions of the West "extend" to your former East, like all those Slovenes, Croats, Poles and whatnot who spend their entire day giving geography lessons on how "they're actually Western/Central Europe."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Beautifully put

I believe this goes even further in the case of Balkan and Southern Eastern European nations,you can see my comment in reply to commrade Redcuban1959 (I don't know how to link it)