We’ve been anticipating it for years, and it’s finally happening. Google is finally killing uBlock Origin – with a note on their web store stating that the extension will soon no longer be available because it “doesn’t follow the best practices for Chrome extensions”.

Now that it is finally happening, many seem to be oddly resigned to the idea that Google is taking away the best and most powerful ad content blocker available on any web browser today, with one article recommending people set up a DNS based content blocker on their network 😒 – instead of more obvious solutions.

I may not have blogged about this but I recently read an article from 1999 about why Gopher lost out to the Web, where Christopher Lee discusses the importance of the then-novel term “mind share” and how it played an important part in dictating why the web won out. In my last post, I touched on the importance of good information to democracies – the same applies to markets (including the browser market) – and it seems to me that we aren’t getting good information about this topic.

This post is me trying to give you that information, to help increase the mind share of an actual alternative. Enjoy!

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[–] 37 points 2 years ago (64 children)

Firefox needs to work on ensuring seamless compatibility with more websites, web apps and so on, because I'm personally very bored with my kids' schools and related services sending out emails and forms with links that simply won't open in FF but are clearly expecting Chrome or Edge where they work fine. Yes, this is on the lazy developers, but if FF want wider scale take-up outside of geeky niche groups then this is the stuff they must fix.

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  • [–] 76 points 2 years ago (25 children)

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. If your site doesn't work on Firefox your site doesn't work. As web developers your job is to develop applications for the web not for one specific browser. This goes double for essential services.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    My job requires login to most internal websites via Microsoft Azure AD SSO using Kerberos authentication using passwordless, smart card auth.

    This switch happened this week. Up until yesterday I was 100% Firefox until this.

    Firefox for MacOS is not able to do this. I spent an hour or so looking for solutions. Chrome on MacOS also doesn't. Safari does and now I have to fucking use Safari FFS.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Could be worse. You could have to use Chrome.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Check some of Firefox's about:config flags. A number of years ago I enabled something related to Kerberos for my previous company's (simpler) Microsoft SSO on a Mac, it may still be available and enough to work for you.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Okay that's fine, but when websites are effectively writing

    if user_agent_string != [chromium]
         break;
    

    It doesn't really matter how good compatibility is. I've had websites go from nothing but a "Firefox is not supported, please use Chrome" splash screen to working just fine with Firefox by simply spoofing the user agent to Chrome. Maybe some feature was broken, but I was able to do what I needed. More often than not they just aren't testing it and don't want to support other browsers.

    The more insidious side of this is that websites will require and attempt to enforce Chrome as adblocking gets increasingly impossible on them, because it aligns with their interests. It's so important for the future of the web that we resist this change, but I think it's too late.

    The world wide web is quickly turning into the dark alley of the internet that nobody is willing to walk down.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    What you're talking about is webcompat and is a very complicated issue. Also I've talked to some Mozilla devs who gave me multiple examples of Chromium rendering something wrong, and they'd have to intentionally break Firefox to render it incorrectly too, just so the end user would get a more consistent experience. Of course these issues happen more and more when things are only tested for one browser.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    I can't think of a single example where a web page doesn't work on FF.

    if FF want wider scale take-up outside of geeky niche groups

    Lol. I remember when FF was the most popular browser.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I just need a „install as app“ Feature in Firefox, that is not as pain as the webapp Manager app we currently have

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    There was a point in time where Firefox had the most market share? When was this?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Around 2009~2011 if I remember correctly. Back then it was either IE or FF. Then Chrome came on the scene with their fancy marketing ads and blew up very quickly to overtake FF.

    At the time FF felt bloated compared to Chrome, so Chrome was like the fresh new and faster alternative.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Can you send me an example? I don't think I ever really encountered those sites and I use FF almost exclusively for ~20 years.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Its a frequency of use thing, and also some required sites. Examples are sites hosted by schools, government, or workplaces.

    Although most people using Firefox aren't aware of spoofing the client to look like chrome, so that might need to be talked about more.

    That all said, I don't have problems with any required usage, the only ones I have an issue with are on my phone, using mull, some sites payment forms won't load or work correctly. Taco bell is pretty bad for that and then the app wouldnt work either for a while. I also run grapheneos though so its hard to say what's the cause there.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Hm, okay. Maybe it's just a US government page thing then. Here in Germany firefox is still at 20% and used to be the standard browser until 5-6 years ago, so maybe pages are still optimized for it here.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    It varies state to state here as well. Someone in Georgia might have way more problems than someone in Minnesota. Its hard to generalize the US in that way. Sort of like the EU being a group but each country separate.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Firefox needs to work on ensuring seamless compatibility with more websites, web apps and so on

    Care to share some examples Firefox has trouble with? The only issues I have with websites is due to my aggressive use of Noscript.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I encounter this very infrequently. I think I only have 1-2 examples at work. It's not a huge deal for me to spin up a chrome for those one or two occasions.

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