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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 hours ago (26 children)

I think progressives tend to overestimate their numbers. Maybe Millennials and Gen z are moving the needle a little further to the left, but I don't think it's as much as many progressives want to believe. There are many millions of Americans under 40 who are moderate, center right, or right wing. The US in general is further right than most other democracies, I would say. In fact, I think the US overall is center to center right. For this reason, I think it is generally a losing strategy for the Democrats to prioritize progressive policies, especially in the presidential election.

Most progressives live in deep blue states; states that are going to go for the Democrats regardless. Whereas, the states that matter, the swing states/purple states are much more moderate. Those are the states the Democrats have to focus on, because of how our election system works. For this reason alone, it makes more sense for Democrats to try and court moderates, at least in the presidential election. But, it's probably true of Congress as well. I think moderate candidates do better in most states and congressional districts than progressive candidates.

It brings me no joy saying this. I'm politically left, I would estimate further left than the majority of Americans. I have been advocating for radical changes for years, but it's mostly fallen on deaf ears, and some of my fellow Americans have been aggressively hostile to the ideas I've been advocating for. Americans, generally, like capitalism, they like class hierarchies, and hierarchies in general, because they believe that some people are just inherently superior to others, and that doesn't seem likely to change anytime soon.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 hours ago (24 children)

There's a theory called the Overton Window and Dems moving to the center has shifted this whole country to the right. We lost abortion rights because of it and our election integrity and voter access is at risk because of it.

If you want to look at a winning strategy that directly refutes your point look at FDR.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Franklin_D._Roosevelt,_third_and_fourth_terms

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago (9 children)

Democrats are not the party responsible for the massive shift in the Overton Window. They didn't do much to stop it, but they weren't driving it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

They didn't do much to stop it

And what have they done to stop it?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Gay marriage, the ACA, the Ledbetter act, more would be better, but they aren't doing nothing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Theres so few accomplishments for the centrist Dems that I keep seeing Ledbetter paraded around like it was revolutionary. All Ledbetter was was an extension of the statute of limitations on another law. It should have and could have been more than that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

None of these things should have been revolutionary, and yet they still needed laws or court cases to make them happen.

If we didn't Republicans trying to drag things backwards and a bunch of idiots finding excuses to not vote for the only other candidate with a chance of winning, things could start to improve.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

idiots finding excuses to not vote for the only other candidate with a chance of winning

Some people wont sign on to genocide whether their party will or not. Dont the christians say god over country over party or something like that? These arent idiots, and your saying they are seems a bit petulant. You cant demand the world act like you want it to, unless you are super spoiled rich? You rich, bro?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago

Gay marriage,

Let's not give Congress credit for something that the courts did.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Ah, sorry. I thought you were referring to election reform or presidential messaging. Yes, Dems in Congress have been a slight net positive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I was just jumping into the middle of the conversation. It does look like the other threads were more focused on the presidential level.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

I need to get better at reading usernames

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