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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/21396125

Stephen Starr in Hamtramck, Michigan
Mon 14 Oct 2024 11.00 EDT

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I don’t think anyone is calling anyone stupid for calling for an end to the genocide. But what’s stupid is when people think that Trump will somehow stop the genocide.

Oh and btw… I was banned from world news. LOL.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Virtually no one thinks Trump will stop the genocide. You’re just strawmaning.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Then why not vote for the other people, who will possibly make it a slightly less bad genocide? What’s wrong with less bad?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

You’d have to ask them. If your family or the families of people in your community were being slaughtered by the incumbent administration, you might discover you have a red line after all. Fortunately for you, you’ll probably never really know.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

I’m at least not going to be making it worse.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But what’s stupid is when people think that Trump will somehow stop the genocide.

No one thinks this

[–] [email protected] -4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Meaning these people are consciously assisting continuing what they believe is a genocide abroad AND making things worse here too?

Or do they not understand FPTP voting?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

As so many Harris-voting lemmitors have instructed me, stopping the genocide is not on the effective ballot as-presented, so no, they are not assisting continuing what is absolutely a genocide. The goal is that they either pressure Harris to not be a ghoul, because they presume she cares about winning more than aiding genocide (this is most likely false) or, if Harris sticks to her guns and either loses or wins by such slim margins that it makes the Dem winning next election without stopping Israel much more hazardous, they (the Muslim/Arab voters) can extract concessions, because even electoral politics doesn't end with one election cycle, and some strategies aimed at maximizing some long term result can introduce a risk or even a guarantee of short-term costs.

I don't believe, like I think those voters do, that Dems would trade Israel slaughtering with impunity even for a guaranteed victory, but I think them demonstrating that unwillingness has its own value, since the DNC needs to be brought down. I don't expect you to agree to this and am not terribly interested in persuading you, I'm just offering an explanation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There was a commenter calling Arab-American voters stupid for abandoning Harris.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well that is stupid. People can be stupid from all corners of the globe.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The knee jerk response from lefties is that any insult or criticism of people who are members of a minority is racist, regardless of if it has anything to do with race (or race adjacent).

[–] [email protected] -4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

It's a convenient label to slap onto anyone who criticizes the non-western world.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 18 hours ago

Agreed. To the point that they cheapen the word.