▲ 108 ▼ What do hexbears think about pumped hydropower storage? (hexbear.net) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by TankieTanuki@hexbear.net to c/science@hexbear.net 108 comments fedilink hide all child comments To make solar power viable, we need a solution for overnight energy storage. Batteries are complicated. Do you know what isn't? Water go up.
[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (12 children) It's fine for places that have a lot of water and hills permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net [S] 10 points 2 years ago* (4 children) For places without water, what's wrong with importing a bunch once? Evaporation suppressors exist to help with hotter climates. You're probably right about the hills. Building a water tower that can hold an entire lake seems inefficient. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] buckykat@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) How are you importing an entire lake? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net [S] 19 points 2 years ago Truck? 5G? Just let a tiny faucet run a long time? IDK. permalink fedilink source parent [–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago from somewhere import lake lake.flow() It's just that simple! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Barabas@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago Use a very long hose. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (5 children) you can use saltwater for it though, doesn't need to be fresh water or treated in any way, just a physical medium to make turbine go brrr permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] buckykat@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (4 children) Machinery and saltwater generally don't mix very well. And you'd still need to make a saltwater lake somewhere uphill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) yeah but in this case it's just a pipe and a turbine it's gotta make move And you'd still need to make a saltwater lake somewhere uphill. water tanks tho permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago Saltwater damages turbine blades very fast. Using saltwater would require some very different engineering for the turbine blades, which might not be worth the benefit of being able to use saltwater. permalink fedilink source parent [–] buckykat@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago Turbines are precision machines. And if we're talking utility scale installations here, we want an upper reservoir measured in thousands of cubic meters, not liters. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Farvana@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago The pipe and turbine would break so fast it's basically useless. Also, tanks are waaaay more expensive than digging a hole in the ground. There's good reasons why freshwater open reservoirs are used. If tanks and brine were usable, people already would be using them. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hexboare@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net [S] 10 points 2 years ago* (4 children) For places without water, what's wrong with importing a bunch once? Evaporation suppressors exist to help with hotter climates. You're probably right about the hills. Building a water tower that can hold an entire lake seems inefficient. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] buckykat@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) How are you importing an entire lake? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net [S] 19 points 2 years ago Truck? 5G? Just let a tiny faucet run a long time? IDK. permalink fedilink source parent [–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago from somewhere import lake lake.flow() It's just that simple! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Barabas@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago Use a very long hose. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) How are you importing an entire lake? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net [S] 19 points 2 years ago Truck? 5G? Just let a tiny faucet run a long time? IDK. permalink fedilink source parent [–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago from somewhere import lake lake.flow() It's just that simple! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Barabas@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago Use a very long hose. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net [S] 19 points 2 years ago Truck? 5G? Just let a tiny faucet run a long time? IDK. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago from somewhere import lake lake.flow() It's just that simple! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (5 children) you can use saltwater for it though, doesn't need to be fresh water or treated in any way, just a physical medium to make turbine go brrr permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] buckykat@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (4 children) Machinery and saltwater generally don't mix very well. And you'd still need to make a saltwater lake somewhere uphill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) yeah but in this case it's just a pipe and a turbine it's gotta make move And you'd still need to make a saltwater lake somewhere uphill. water tanks tho permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago Saltwater damages turbine blades very fast. Using saltwater would require some very different engineering for the turbine blades, which might not be worth the benefit of being able to use saltwater. permalink fedilink source parent [–] buckykat@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago Turbines are precision machines. And if we're talking utility scale installations here, we want an upper reservoir measured in thousands of cubic meters, not liters. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Farvana@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago The pipe and turbine would break so fast it's basically useless. Also, tanks are waaaay more expensive than digging a hole in the ground. There's good reasons why freshwater open reservoirs are used. If tanks and brine were usable, people already would be using them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (4 children) Machinery and saltwater generally don't mix very well. And you'd still need to make a saltwater lake somewhere uphill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) yeah but in this case it's just a pipe and a turbine it's gotta make move And you'd still need to make a saltwater lake somewhere uphill. water tanks tho permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago Saltwater damages turbine blades very fast. Using saltwater would require some very different engineering for the turbine blades, which might not be worth the benefit of being able to use saltwater. permalink fedilink source parent [–] buckykat@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago Turbines are precision machines. And if we're talking utility scale installations here, we want an upper reservoir measured in thousands of cubic meters, not liters. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Farvana@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago The pipe and turbine would break so fast it's basically useless. Also, tanks are waaaay more expensive than digging a hole in the ground. There's good reasons why freshwater open reservoirs are used. If tanks and brine were usable, people already would be using them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AmericaDelendaEst@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) yeah but in this case it's just a pipe and a turbine it's gotta make move And you'd still need to make a saltwater lake somewhere uphill. water tanks tho permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago Saltwater damages turbine blades very fast. Using saltwater would require some very different engineering for the turbine blades, which might not be worth the benefit of being able to use saltwater. permalink fedilink source parent [–] buckykat@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago Turbines are precision machines. And if we're talking utility scale installations here, we want an upper reservoir measured in thousands of cubic meters, not liters. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Farvana@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago The pipe and turbine would break so fast it's basically useless. Also, tanks are waaaay more expensive than digging a hole in the ground. There's good reasons why freshwater open reservoirs are used. If tanks and brine were usable, people already would be using them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago Saltwater damages turbine blades very fast. Using saltwater would require some very different engineering for the turbine blades, which might not be worth the benefit of being able to use saltwater. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago Turbines are precision machines. And if we're talking utility scale installations here, we want an upper reservoir measured in thousands of cubic meters, not liters. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Farvana@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago The pipe and turbine would break so fast it's basically useless. Also, tanks are waaaay more expensive than digging a hole in the ground. There's good reasons why freshwater open reservoirs are used. If tanks and brine were usable, people already would be using them. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Hexboare@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent