▲ 164 ▼ Signal Piracy group (signal.group) submitted 2 years ago by blicante@moist.catsweat.com to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 81 comments fedilink hide all child comments I saw some threads here about Telegram and piracy stuff being banned. So, as an experimental alternative, I created a public Signal group for piracy. Maybe it'll be useful? Before joining Signal supports usernames and hiding telephone numbers. Here's a blog entry on how to do so. You might want to: set a username change your profile name (these are two separate things!) hide your phone number
[–] uiiiq@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The phone number is not connected to the messages. That’s the only thing they have. It is the best app for privacy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Arguable in it being "the best app for privacy". Can you link to a source which shows that phone numbers are not linked to accounts? (Why do they need them anyway?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] uiiiq@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) They have published requests from the law enforcement and their responses to these requests. The only unencrypted data they have is the phone number, a date of sign up and a date of the last login. That is it, everything else is encrypted and they cannot access it whatsoever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (6 children) The problem is, if you're in Europe, your phone number is associated with your identity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 4 points 2 years ago* (2 children) No you don't. I can go to the corner shop/local garage right now, buy a SIM card for 99p and then buy a top-up voucher in cash to have a completely anonymous phone number. Albeit is the UK in Europe again? 🙈 edit: where I would be worried if my privacy was on the line is I could also go to the local pawn shop / Cash Converters to ensure that SIM card isn't associated with an IMEI I've previously used and buy in cash a cheapo phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Same in a few other European countries. I'm doing it right now with a few SIMs. You can also go on holiday to another country, get a few temporary SIMs there for a few quid and fly back home with the "contraband". Really not hard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago Aye, I've seen this misconception before and suspect it's specific countries in the European continent where you have to register. permalink fedilink source parent [–] socsa@piefed.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The last time I bought a SIM in the UK I was told specifically I could not buy it with cash. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago I don't know if you're in the UK right now but I can tell you right now that I can go round the corner and buy a SIM card in cash plus a top-up voucher, from someone like this guy https://www.coregroup.co.uk/assets/img/cards/independent-retail-sim-distribution.jpg permalink fedilink source parent [–] uiiiq@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* So what? The law enforcement knows you have an account and knows the sign up date and last login. That doesn’t affect your privacy whatsoever. Besides, Europe isn’t a monolith. You can absolutely buy and use a SIM card without disclosing your name in some countries. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago But, again, all they can prove is that you signed up to Signal and when you last signed in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I believe the same is true in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It is not. You do not show any ID to get a phone number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) You also don't need to show any ID for a business to meet "know-your-customer" regulations. Can you get a phone number without revealing your identity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't the same true in the EU, then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if you don't have to show your ID to get a number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Emerald@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Exactly. Signal is private, not anonymous permalink fedilink source parent [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 1 point 2 years ago Sometimes, but that's it. Authorities and signal itself can only say "this number has account with us since $signupDate and used it last on $usageDate". Signal can't say "we know $number is talking to $otherNumber" nor can they say "$number is in $group talking to $users". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Arguable in it being "the best app for privacy". Can you link to a source which shows that phone numbers are not linked to accounts? (Why do they need them anyway?) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] uiiiq@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) They have published requests from the law enforcement and their responses to these requests. The only unencrypted data they have is the phone number, a date of sign up and a date of the last login. That is it, everything else is encrypted and they cannot access it whatsoever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (6 children) The problem is, if you're in Europe, your phone number is associated with your identity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 4 points 2 years ago* (2 children) No you don't. I can go to the corner shop/local garage right now, buy a SIM card for 99p and then buy a top-up voucher in cash to have a completely anonymous phone number. Albeit is the UK in Europe again? 🙈 edit: where I would be worried if my privacy was on the line is I could also go to the local pawn shop / Cash Converters to ensure that SIM card isn't associated with an IMEI I've previously used and buy in cash a cheapo phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Same in a few other European countries. I'm doing it right now with a few SIMs. You can also go on holiday to another country, get a few temporary SIMs there for a few quid and fly back home with the "contraband". Really not hard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago Aye, I've seen this misconception before and suspect it's specific countries in the European continent where you have to register. permalink fedilink source parent [–] socsa@piefed.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The last time I bought a SIM in the UK I was told specifically I could not buy it with cash. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago I don't know if you're in the UK right now but I can tell you right now that I can go round the corner and buy a SIM card in cash plus a top-up voucher, from someone like this guy https://www.coregroup.co.uk/assets/img/cards/independent-retail-sim-distribution.jpg permalink fedilink source parent [–] uiiiq@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* So what? The law enforcement knows you have an account and knows the sign up date and last login. That doesn’t affect your privacy whatsoever. Besides, Europe isn’t a monolith. You can absolutely buy and use a SIM card without disclosing your name in some countries. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago But, again, all they can prove is that you signed up to Signal and when you last signed in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I believe the same is true in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It is not. You do not show any ID to get a phone number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) You also don't need to show any ID for a business to meet "know-your-customer" regulations. Can you get a phone number without revealing your identity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't the same true in the EU, then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if you don't have to show your ID to get a number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Emerald@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Exactly. Signal is private, not anonymous permalink fedilink source parent [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 1 point 2 years ago Sometimes, but that's it. Authorities and signal itself can only say "this number has account with us since $signupDate and used it last on $usageDate". Signal can't say "we know $number is talking to $otherNumber" nor can they say "$number is in $group talking to $users". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uiiiq@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) They have published requests from the law enforcement and their responses to these requests. The only unencrypted data they have is the phone number, a date of sign up and a date of the last login. That is it, everything else is encrypted and they cannot access it whatsoever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (6 children) The problem is, if you're in Europe, your phone number is associated with your identity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 4 points 2 years ago* (2 children) No you don't. I can go to the corner shop/local garage right now, buy a SIM card for 99p and then buy a top-up voucher in cash to have a completely anonymous phone number. Albeit is the UK in Europe again? 🙈 edit: where I would be worried if my privacy was on the line is I could also go to the local pawn shop / Cash Converters to ensure that SIM card isn't associated with an IMEI I've previously used and buy in cash a cheapo phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Same in a few other European countries. I'm doing it right now with a few SIMs. You can also go on holiday to another country, get a few temporary SIMs there for a few quid and fly back home with the "contraband". Really not hard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago Aye, I've seen this misconception before and suspect it's specific countries in the European continent where you have to register. permalink fedilink source parent [–] socsa@piefed.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The last time I bought a SIM in the UK I was told specifically I could not buy it with cash. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago I don't know if you're in the UK right now but I can tell you right now that I can go round the corner and buy a SIM card in cash plus a top-up voucher, from someone like this guy https://www.coregroup.co.uk/assets/img/cards/independent-retail-sim-distribution.jpg permalink fedilink source parent [–] uiiiq@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* So what? The law enforcement knows you have an account and knows the sign up date and last login. That doesn’t affect your privacy whatsoever. Besides, Europe isn’t a monolith. You can absolutely buy and use a SIM card without disclosing your name in some countries. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago But, again, all they can prove is that you signed up to Signal and when you last signed in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I believe the same is true in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It is not. You do not show any ID to get a phone number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) You also don't need to show any ID for a business to meet "know-your-customer" regulations. Can you get a phone number without revealing your identity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't the same true in the EU, then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if you don't have to show your ID to get a number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Emerald@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Exactly. Signal is private, not anonymous permalink fedilink source parent [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 1 point 2 years ago Sometimes, but that's it. Authorities and signal itself can only say "this number has account with us since $signupDate and used it last on $usageDate". Signal can't say "we know $number is talking to $otherNumber" nor can they say "$number is in $group talking to $users". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (6 children) The problem is, if you're in Europe, your phone number is associated with your identity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 4 points 2 years ago* (2 children) No you don't. I can go to the corner shop/local garage right now, buy a SIM card for 99p and then buy a top-up voucher in cash to have a completely anonymous phone number. Albeit is the UK in Europe again? 🙈 edit: where I would be worried if my privacy was on the line is I could also go to the local pawn shop / Cash Converters to ensure that SIM card isn't associated with an IMEI I've previously used and buy in cash a cheapo phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Same in a few other European countries. I'm doing it right now with a few SIMs. You can also go on holiday to another country, get a few temporary SIMs there for a few quid and fly back home with the "contraband". Really not hard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago Aye, I've seen this misconception before and suspect it's specific countries in the European continent where you have to register. permalink fedilink source parent [–] socsa@piefed.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The last time I bought a SIM in the UK I was told specifically I could not buy it with cash. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago I don't know if you're in the UK right now but I can tell you right now that I can go round the corner and buy a SIM card in cash plus a top-up voucher, from someone like this guy https://www.coregroup.co.uk/assets/img/cards/independent-retail-sim-distribution.jpg permalink fedilink source parent [–] uiiiq@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* So what? The law enforcement knows you have an account and knows the sign up date and last login. That doesn’t affect your privacy whatsoever. Besides, Europe isn’t a monolith. You can absolutely buy and use a SIM card without disclosing your name in some countries. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago But, again, all they can prove is that you signed up to Signal and when you last signed in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I believe the same is true in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It is not. You do not show any ID to get a phone number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) You also don't need to show any ID for a business to meet "know-your-customer" regulations. Can you get a phone number without revealing your identity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't the same true in the EU, then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if you don't have to show your ID to get a number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Emerald@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Exactly. Signal is private, not anonymous permalink fedilink source parent [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 1 point 2 years ago Sometimes, but that's it. Authorities and signal itself can only say "this number has account with us since $signupDate and used it last on $usageDate". Signal can't say "we know $number is talking to $otherNumber" nor can they say "$number is in $group talking to $users". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 4 points 2 years ago* (2 children) No you don't. I can go to the corner shop/local garage right now, buy a SIM card for 99p and then buy a top-up voucher in cash to have a completely anonymous phone number. Albeit is the UK in Europe again? 🙈 edit: where I would be worried if my privacy was on the line is I could also go to the local pawn shop / Cash Converters to ensure that SIM card isn't associated with an IMEI I've previously used and buy in cash a cheapo phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Same in a few other European countries. I'm doing it right now with a few SIMs. You can also go on holiday to another country, get a few temporary SIMs there for a few quid and fly back home with the "contraband". Really not hard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago Aye, I've seen this misconception before and suspect it's specific countries in the European continent where you have to register. permalink fedilink source parent [–] socsa@piefed.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The last time I bought a SIM in the UK I was told specifically I could not buy it with cash. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago I don't know if you're in the UK right now but I can tell you right now that I can go round the corner and buy a SIM card in cash plus a top-up voucher, from someone like this guy https://www.coregroup.co.uk/assets/img/cards/independent-retail-sim-distribution.jpg permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Same in a few other European countries. I'm doing it right now with a few SIMs. You can also go on holiday to another country, get a few temporary SIMs there for a few quid and fly back home with the "contraband". Really not hard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago Aye, I've seen this misconception before and suspect it's specific countries in the European continent where you have to register. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago Aye, I've seen this misconception before and suspect it's specific countries in the European continent where you have to register. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] socsa@piefed.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The last time I bought a SIM in the UK I was told specifically I could not buy it with cash. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago I don't know if you're in the UK right now but I can tell you right now that I can go round the corner and buy a SIM card in cash plus a top-up voucher, from someone like this guy https://www.coregroup.co.uk/assets/img/cards/independent-retail-sim-distribution.jpg permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago I don't know if you're in the UK right now but I can tell you right now that I can go round the corner and buy a SIM card in cash plus a top-up voucher, from someone like this guy https://www.coregroup.co.uk/assets/img/cards/independent-retail-sim-distribution.jpg permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uiiiq@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* So what? The law enforcement knows you have an account and knows the sign up date and last login. That doesn’t affect your privacy whatsoever. Besides, Europe isn’t a monolith. You can absolutely buy and use a SIM card without disclosing your name in some countries. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago But, again, all they can prove is that you signed up to Signal and when you last signed in. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I believe the same is true in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It is not. You do not show any ID to get a phone number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) You also don't need to show any ID for a business to meet "know-your-customer" regulations. Can you get a phone number without revealing your identity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't the same true in the EU, then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if you don't have to show your ID to get a number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It is not. You do not show any ID to get a phone number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) You also don't need to show any ID for a business to meet "know-your-customer" regulations. Can you get a phone number without revealing your identity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't the same true in the EU, then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if you don't have to show your ID to get a number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) You also don't need to show any ID for a business to meet "know-your-customer" regulations. Can you get a phone number without revealing your identity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't the same true in the EU, then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if you don't have to show your ID to get a number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't the same true in the EU, then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if you don't have to show your ID to get a number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't the same true in the EU, then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if you don't have to show your ID to get a number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if you don't have to show your ID to get a number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Emerald@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Exactly. Signal is private, not anonymous permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 1 point 2 years ago Sometimes, but that's it. Authorities and signal itself can only say "this number has account with us since $signupDate and used it last on $usageDate". Signal can't say "we know $number is talking to $otherNumber" nor can they say "$number is in $group talking to $users". permalink fedilink source parent