▲ 164 ▼ Signal Piracy group (signal.group) submitted 2 years ago by blicante@moist.catsweat.com to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 81 comments fedilink hide all child comments I saw some threads here about Telegram and piracy stuff being banned. So, as an experimental alternative, I created a public Signal group for piracy. Maybe it'll be useful? Before joining Signal supports usernames and hiding telephone numbers. Here's a blog entry on how to do so. You might want to: set a username change your profile name (these are two separate things!) hide your phone number
[–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (6 children) The problem is, if you're in Europe, your phone number is associated with your identity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 4 points 2 years ago* (2 children) No you don't. I can go to the corner shop/local garage right now, buy a SIM card for 99p and then buy a top-up voucher in cash to have a completely anonymous phone number. Albeit is the UK in Europe again? 🙈 edit: where I would be worried if my privacy was on the line is I could also go to the local pawn shop / Cash Converters to ensure that SIM card isn't associated with an IMEI I've previously used and buy in cash a cheapo phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Same in a few other European countries. I'm doing it right now with a few SIMs. You can also go on holiday to another country, get a few temporary SIMs there for a few quid and fly back home with the "contraband". Really not hard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago Aye, I've seen this misconception before and suspect it's specific countries in the European continent where you have to register. permalink fedilink source parent [–] socsa@piefed.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The last time I bought a SIM in the UK I was told specifically I could not buy it with cash. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago I don't know if you're in the UK right now but I can tell you right now that I can go round the corner and buy a SIM card in cash plus a top-up voucher, from someone like this guy https://www.coregroup.co.uk/assets/img/cards/independent-retail-sim-distribution.jpg permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago But, again, all they can prove is that you signed up to Signal and when you last signed in. permalink fedilink source parent [–] uiiiq@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* So what? The law enforcement knows you have an account and knows the sign up date and last login. That doesn’t affect your privacy whatsoever. Besides, Europe isn’t a monolith. You can absolutely buy and use a SIM card without disclosing your name in some countries. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I believe the same is true in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It is not. You do not show any ID to get a phone number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) You also don't need to show any ID for a business to meet "know-your-customer" regulations. Can you get a phone number without revealing your identity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't the same true in the EU, then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if you don't have to show your ID to get a number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Emerald@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Exactly. Signal is private, not anonymous permalink fedilink source parent [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 1 point 2 years ago Sometimes, but that's it. Authorities and signal itself can only say "this number has account with us since $signupDate and used it last on $usageDate". Signal can't say "we know $number is talking to $otherNumber" nor can they say "$number is in $group talking to $users". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 4 points 2 years ago* (2 children) No you don't. I can go to the corner shop/local garage right now, buy a SIM card for 99p and then buy a top-up voucher in cash to have a completely anonymous phone number. Albeit is the UK in Europe again? 🙈 edit: where I would be worried if my privacy was on the line is I could also go to the local pawn shop / Cash Converters to ensure that SIM card isn't associated with an IMEI I've previously used and buy in cash a cheapo phone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Same in a few other European countries. I'm doing it right now with a few SIMs. You can also go on holiday to another country, get a few temporary SIMs there for a few quid and fly back home with the "contraband". Really not hard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago Aye, I've seen this misconception before and suspect it's specific countries in the European continent where you have to register. permalink fedilink source parent [–] socsa@piefed.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The last time I bought a SIM in the UK I was told specifically I could not buy it with cash. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago I don't know if you're in the UK right now but I can tell you right now that I can go round the corner and buy a SIM card in cash plus a top-up voucher, from someone like this guy https://www.coregroup.co.uk/assets/img/cards/independent-retail-sim-distribution.jpg permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Same in a few other European countries. I'm doing it right now with a few SIMs. You can also go on holiday to another country, get a few temporary SIMs there for a few quid and fly back home with the "contraband". Really not hard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago Aye, I've seen this misconception before and suspect it's specific countries in the European continent where you have to register. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 3 points 2 years ago Aye, I've seen this misconception before and suspect it's specific countries in the European continent where you have to register. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] socsa@piefed.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The last time I bought a SIM in the UK I was told specifically I could not buy it with cash. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago I don't know if you're in the UK right now but I can tell you right now that I can go round the corner and buy a SIM card in cash plus a top-up voucher, from someone like this guy https://www.coregroup.co.uk/assets/img/cards/independent-retail-sim-distribution.jpg permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ladfrombrad@lemdro.id 2 points 2 years ago I don't know if you're in the UK right now but I can tell you right now that I can go round the corner and buy a SIM card in cash plus a top-up voucher, from someone like this guy https://www.coregroup.co.uk/assets/img/cards/independent-retail-sim-distribution.jpg permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago But, again, all they can prove is that you signed up to Signal and when you last signed in. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uiiiq@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* So what? The law enforcement knows you have an account and knows the sign up date and last login. That doesn’t affect your privacy whatsoever. Besides, Europe isn’t a monolith. You can absolutely buy and use a SIM card without disclosing your name in some countries. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I believe the same is true in the US. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It is not. You do not show any ID to get a phone number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) You also don't need to show any ID for a business to meet "know-your-customer" regulations. Can you get a phone number without revealing your identity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't the same true in the EU, then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if you don't have to show your ID to get a number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It is not. You do not show any ID to get a phone number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) You also don't need to show any ID for a business to meet "know-your-customer" regulations. Can you get a phone number without revealing your identity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't the same true in the EU, then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if you don't have to show your ID to get a number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) You also don't need to show any ID for a business to meet "know-your-customer" regulations. Can you get a phone number without revealing your identity? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't the same true in the EU, then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if you don't have to show your ID to get a number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't the same true in the EU, then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if you don't have to show your ID to get a number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Isn't the same true in the EU, then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if you don't have to show your ID to get a number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if you don't have to show your ID to get a number permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That depends on your OPSEC. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] liveinthisworld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In countries where you MUST show your proof of identity to get a number, pray tell me what kind of OPSEC can you employ to not do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 3 points 2 years ago Travel across the border where you can? Ask a friend abroad to send you a SIM card? Maybe even find a service to buy a SIM from? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Emerald@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago Exactly. Signal is private, not anonymous permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blicante@moist.catsweat.com [S] 1 point 2 years ago Sometimes, but that's it. Authorities and signal itself can only say "this number has account with us since $signupDate and used it last on $usageDate". Signal can't say "we know $number is talking to $otherNumber" nor can they say "$number is in $group talking to $users". permalink fedilink source parent