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Why is UI design backsliding? (lemmy.zip)

submitted 1 month ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Why did UI's turn from practical to form over function?

E.g. Office 2003 vs Microsoft 365

Office 2003

It's easy to remember where everything is with a toolbar and menu bar, which allows access to any option in one click and hold move.

Microsoft 365

Seriously? Big ribbon and massive padding wasting space, as well as the ribbon being clunky to use.

Why did this happen?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's about the same size as the before screenshot if you added one more toolbar, except you have better groupings
you can customize it, if you find features you frequently use are in hard to reach spaces. I doubt it actually fully hides the thing, and they've also majorly improved the search at the same time as they deployed the ribbon so you can use that as backup. It's not like features weren't hidden before anyway, you just didn't use them yourself at the time to notice.
you mean the extra tabs it can get? It never fully changes everything afaik, just get a few more tabs that are otherwise not needed.

I simply dislike the connection that clean modern design is for noobs and power users just need a list and that's it. It's not like the design is made without consulting or taking in data from advanced users, and if you're truly a power user you can customise it and make it your own. No, I believe that's just stubbornness to trying something new, or lack of openness to do so when it's not a priority to evolve your workflow, you simply want to get from A to B. Feel free to correct me, but tight compact layouts aren't inherently power user friendly, just as padded grouped layouts aren't inherently anti-power user

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

right, and I hated the initial one, and I'd usually customize it to get rid of a row
the problem is that everything is differently sized, so it's hard to just drop part of it; e.g. I use shortcuts for bold, italic, and underline, but just getting rid of those doesn't particularly help
really? I could've sworn it changed based on what you were doing, like editing a table or cell or something. I honestly just use Google Drive (work) and LibreOffice (home) instead because Office annoys me

clean modern design is for noobs and power users just need a list and that’s it

Modern design has, by definition, a lot of negative space, which by definition means fewer functions can fit on the screen at the same time. I certainly appreciate clean design, but the tools I use the most as a power user are fairly obtuse to get into:

vim - my editor, and the learning curve there is like a cliff
CLI tools like ripgrep + regex - learning regex properly is something for later in a 4-year CS degree
Rust programming language - learning curve is basically a meme (it's not that bad though)
favorite game is EU4 - complex strategy game with a ton of variables and numbers; second favorite: Dwarf Fortress

And other than vim and regex (learned in school), I learned all of those (and more!) after entering the workforce, some of those ~10 years after, and I'm constantly learning new tools (e.g. we use macOS at my current job, and this is my first time using macOS full-time in my career). So I don't think it's really about being stubborn, but frustration when the tools you're familiar with change drastically. If it was an option, I might try it and swap between it sometimes, but if I'm forced to use the new UX, I'm going to be pissed.

I'm not saying "tight compact layouts are inherently power user friendly," I'm saying power users are comfortable with a certain workflow and know where all their tools are, and then when everything gets jumbled, they have to go relearn everything. It's like when my MIL comes and reorganizes our kitchen, my SO and I get pissed trying to find everything again. Once you learn a compact tool, it's really easy to find what you want, whereas when a tool has a lot more negative space, less fits on the screen and you have to go find the stuff you want (i.e. click a different ribbon menu, then click the tool, instead of just clicking the tool).

That's why I think both should be an option. If you decide your workflow only needs a handful of tools, you should be able to ditch the ribbon and make a toolbar with just those tools (which includes some in the menus).