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Yeah, the article basically calls both political parties a bunch of evil idiotic pricks. Which is pretty fucking accurate, but nobody seems to want to acknowledge this, even here on Lemmy
Depends on the instance.
Both political parties are a bunch of evil idiotic pricks. Each major party is the party of corporate influence. One is slightly more overt and explicit in their intention but it's not enough of a distinction to make identifying them worthwhile.
Okay, I acknowledged it. Now what?
Revolution
To be replaced with what? You have a military backed group able to hold power and enforce true democracy or whatever that can’t be corrupted to the same ends sitting in the sidelines? If so I’m down.
Consider reading The State and Revolution. The people run the new government as an "administration of things," and not as career parliamentarianism. Units democratically decide things, and send delegates for higher units that decide things relating to multiple units, with instant recall elections.
How do you have a successful revolution when roughly 95% of people support either Republicans or Democrats?
They don't, actually. The US government has a shockingly low approval rate to begin with, and it's only getting worse over the years.
I’m not talking about “approval rates.” I’m talking about how, in any given election, less than 5% of the vote goes to third parties.
If third party candidates can’t get enough support to even come close to getting elected, how would we be able to get enough people organized to support a revolution? Voting takes very little effort, so I would expect the number of supporters to go down, not up.
The US has First Past the Post.
This may surprise you, but revolution is illegal.
Does being illegal make it somehow easier to gain support?
No, but it means measuring support for revolution by the results of elections where only about 2/3rds of Americans even vote to begin with is silly.
Show me a political group worth backing and I will listen. Otherwise you are yelling at clouds. We acknowledge, we see no alternatives. Over throw the government, hell yeah sounds punk rock but what replaces it? A bunch of dungeon dweebs with zero understanding of global politics. Some Christo fascist extremist group that would start and lose a civil war with anyone non white. A far left progressive group that doesn’t understand how the American threat of violence is the only commodity keeping the US from being a third world country. There is a reason we spend the money we do on our military, its why Israel is our Middle East enforcers, it’s why we have to back Ukraine no matter what. It’s why the 2 parties are essentially the same.
PSL. Even Greens would be better than either party if you're a liberal. But you would apparently rather ignore these "political groups worth backing" that both the left and large big-tent Muslim groups have been advocating, to plug your ears and make petty insults ("dungeon dweebs?" the hell are you talking about?) and make smarmy word-salad with a weird side of half-defending of the US subsidizing petty-bourgeois living conditions with violent imperial and neo-colonial exploitation, served on a plate of blatantly lying about the "far left," which are in reality the only ones who do understand and constantly talk about the evils and contradictions of empire and its absolute need to be dismantled, somehow "not understanding" one of the things they talk about and analyze more than anything and more than anyone; probably including you.
Which, also, go to any lumpenized ghetto or homeless tent city encampments in the US and tell me it's not "third-world country" for huge portions of the population. You imprison more than anyone ever has in history and still can't cover up this ever-expanding underbelly caused by both parties. How much of the "Real America" have you spent time in? Everything you said is petty-bourgeois distraction and railroading conversation into a jam-up of complacency and status quo-reinforcing. Vote for the PSL, join them or another socialist organization to help, and stop with this bad-faith talk; or otherwise admit to being a nationalist and that you like things this way because you are one of the shrinking portions that still benefit from it
but don't pretend to be on the side of progress while standing in the way and throwing shit at those advocating and pushing to make the world a better place.
Party for Socialism and Liberation.
Except you’re just being disingenuous. Leftists call out actual alternatives all the time during discourse.
And clowns like you just keep showing up, trying to derail the discussion, hemming and hawing about how leftists provide no real alternative.
Except it’s all lies. You are a fucking liar.
I was thinking maybe we should just replace all the old cunts with younger and more competent people that actually care about what's going to happen in twenty years. The parties aren't really beneficial, it's time to let them go
huh, this is the first time I've ran across this idea on here. I mean, it would be fucking crazy and to pull it off would take a miracle of a life time.... but I think this has merit.
You could file this under Anti-trust/monopoly competition law.
This is largely how both the DNC and RNC are defined
So if you look at both the RNC and DNC as an organization or company that provides a service (which they've argued themselves in court, that they're not a true democratic function), you could consider them a national monopoly on a service provided to political prospects (think ticketmaster-livenation). If you break up the national level to only have individual organizations in states that aren't allowed to unlawfully co-operate with eachother, you would have better chances of people getting their state representatives to actuallly listen to their constituents.
National elections would become like an All-Star Jam or the Olympics basketball team. It would be much the same players but having to form their own services eliminating the "political pipeline" that the DNC/RNC currently has a market on, on a national level. Which, the overwhelming power they have, trickles down into state elections with vast resources and political sway disrupting a democratic process.
You could do all of this in a courtroom, no legislation required to be passed for enforcement. I have faith in each side having enough disgruntled members and judges tired of playing politics that you might get some headway.
Lmao your like I love fascists just please keep the Jesus out and don't lose the coups we start