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My PGE bill is a little over 50c per kilowatt hour. Its starting to become like a second mortgage or car payment for some. Wondering what other people are paying for their power.

https://www.pge.com/assets/pge/docs/account/rate-plans/residential-electric-rate-plan-pricing.pdf

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (8 children)

A $400 bill at $0.50 per kwh is 800 kwh. Our electricity usage in the month of August was 787 kwh. I wired an energy meter into my circuit panel a month ago, so I can break that down:

  • 210 kwh for EV charging. I don't drive a ton and can also charge at work sometimes. This is 27% of our total
  • 130 kwh for AC. We live in SE MI, so it's not hot. We keep our AC set to 75 when it's on. These two combined are now 40% of our bill
  • 62 kwh for my work desk (hybrid work) and deep freeze
  • 61 kwh for our furnace blower motor. This one surprised me. We were leaving it on the low setting to equalize temperature. On the low speed it pulls 500 watts, or 12 kwh/day. It obviously pulls more power when the AC is on
  • 61 kwh for our fridge
  • 28 kwh for our washing machine and gas dryer
  • now we're in odds and ends territory. 17 kwh for our instant Hot water (tea), 12 kwh for our sump pump and dehumidifier, 11 for our dishwasher, 8 for the TV (old fluorescent)/garage/ps5/modem/route, 7 for the microwave
  • another 100 or so that doesn't have a clamp on the breaker

If you don't have an EV and you're really keeping your AC at 84 I strongly suspect you have a failing appliance. Unless you live in Phoenix and have a massive and very poorly insulated house or something.

During covid (I was doing remote work, so basically no EV charging), our old dishwasher finally stopped working with a dryer heater error code. When we replaced it our electric bill fell by a double digit percentage (I want to say 20%+) year over year.

As for things like insulation, going from 3" of 1969 insulation to a massive quantity of blown in helped our winter heating bill (gas) a lot more than our summer AC bill.

Good luck!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Thanks! Phoenix is close to our weather, although this week is not a good example thank God. Its regularly over 110 most days of the summer. I have one of the watt meters + a raspberry pi that monitors our watts in real time and can tell what appliances take up the most power. The vast majority of the bill is the AC. In winter, we sip power. Our gas is actually more then.

I'm currently pulling 218 watts right now (fridge/2 laptops/small server/two pis/2 meshtastic devices/one light/ and a host of zombie power devices) and will pull a little over 3kw when the AC is on. And with the tier based system that PGE has, it means months where you do actually use the ac, they jack up the price at the worst possible times. Its closer to 60c per kilowatt hour before fees. And its going up again this year for the 4rth time...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If the biggest portion of your bill is AC and you live in a hot area the only things I could think of are planting some trees if they'll grow and using a programmable thermostat to shift your usage away from off peek as best you can.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Yep that's an excellent idea.

There's also solar ac's that have started to catch on. I'm taking a look but they seem too new so I'm waiting a bit.

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