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[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You cannot "pre-emptively" defend yourself, an attack to head off a suspected attack is still an attack.

Other than that semantic nitpick, personally I'm there with you.. However, you cannot seriously be pointing this out without also recognizing that Israel is very much the initial offender in any conflict that arises as direct result of their actions in gaza.

If I let a bully sucker punch me so I have an excuse to beat up all the people around them, and then someone else close by hits me, I can't honestly say I am the one who is defending myself.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

I think the purpose of the word "pre-emptive" is to describe a situation where one side appears to attack first but that side is actually acting to prevent an attack against itself. Consider a less controversial situation: Ukraine launched drones into Russia in order to blow up glide bombs in storage at Russian airbases. I suppose that could be described as a "pre-emptive attack" but I still see it as an act of self-defense.

With regard to your second point: Hezbollah has agency. They weren't just helplessly carried along by events in Gaza; they chose to get involved. Their choice was predictable, but it was still theirs. One could argue that it was justified (and Hezbollah would certainly argue that it was justified) but justification is a matter of opinion and even if an attack is considered justified, the defender is still, well, defending.