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I'm definitely center. There's a ton of stuff I disagree with the majority of Lemmy on. (At least my home instance .world). That's because reality is nuanced, not all progressive politics work, or left politicians good.
But I'm not stupid, both sides clearly are not the same. Both bad in unique ways (from an American perspective that is) but one side is so much worse than the other to such a extreme degree that most of their politicians and even to a smaller degree their followers are just not worth the time of day.
I wish we lived in a world where we could all get along and have differing ideas without everyone getting all mad. Sadly we don't. So I play the line, that way my family can hopefully get the best outcome. It's all I can do.
The problem with you is Center in America is right wing everywhere else, so you aren't doing the good you think you are doing
"everywhere else" is it though? USA center is right wing in many EU countries; most other countries governments are more right wing. Take a look at a map of where gay marriage is legal, or where marijuana use is criminalized.
This comment is short sighted. As if I, a single person could change the government and slide it left.
Be change you want to see simply doesn't work in a group setting. I can only work with what I have.
And what you have is a lot more than being a generic centrist- which again is really just being right wing.
Spoken like a true extremist, who can only see the world in terms of extremism.
If centrists are right wing, why would we ever vote left? Oh, it's because of our right-wing agenda secretly involves voting left sometimes, just to throw you off-balance!
No, wait - it's because the left can be a bunch of extremist nutbags, just like the right can. They they just think being unrealistic isn't harmful, because they're thinking happy equal good thoughts ++ everybody wins, and that can't be wrong liek evar!
I feel the same. I considered myself just left of center but if the political compass site is to be believed im about halfway from center to the max extreme for both econimic left and social libertarianism. So I guess im fairly over but I still wonder if that site is still effected by current days because I feel like back in the 70's so much was considered more of a central view.
Alot of this is due to the changes of the times. More people lean harder on both sides nowadays, or so it feels. The political landscape has changed alot since back then.
No idea what to make of all that though. Politics are hard.
Reality is nuances and America is big. Like REALLY big. I don't think a lot of the policies that are important to big cities make as much sense in rural areas and vice versa.
There are big pictures issues, like women's rights, gay rights, and trans rights that need to be protected across the country.
Then there are gun control policies that don't make a lot of sense in towns of 300 people but seem like common sense in cities with millions of people.
Personally, I believe we need to work on cutting out the people and saboteurs who are willfully, vehemently, and incessantly trying to divide us. Those that are doing their damnedest to try and make each other the enemy.
Hard agree.
As someone that grew up most of my life in a tiny, rural Ohio area. There are so many strange laws that extend from the cities, many of which can outright just be bad for the area.
Policy wise, local democrats are rarely liked and seen as weak in rural areas, which in my experience is usually correct, unfortunately. The Republicans are always money grabbers but generally get things done.
Frankly the system sucks.
Honestly, it's wild when I get into a policy debate and from someone's stance I can tell whether they live in a city, in the country, in suburbs, or whatever. Its hard to argue policy when people refuse to acknowledge that there are other parts of the country that aren't like the neighborhood they live in.
From my understanding, which I admit could be flawed, that is why there is the separation of federal, state, and local government.
Federal deals with the big shit across the country but doesn't get caught up in the small shit that only applies to Montana. It also acts as the check and balance to state laws to prevent them from being too egregious.
Yeah, I think that's how the separation is supposed to work. That being said, seems like the supreme court keeps poking it's nose where it doesn't belong. But all I can really do is complain on a lesser used website and vote.
Also, side note, how is Montana? I live in Texas atm, cause I followed my fiance down here, and it sucks. But we eventually want to get a house and may not stay here.
I recently moved from California to Illinois.
I just used Montana since it's a low population density state.
I mostly liked California. Other than the CARB restrictions on cars, most of its legislation just let me live my life in peace. But liking to modify cars put me at odds with the emissions laws. It's not like I was poluting heavily, it's just that I needed a custom tune to burn fuel efficiently when I had done an engine swap. They won't even measure the emissions anymore and just have "approved" ECU codes they test for. California is just very expensive, too expensive for buying a home for me right now.
Illinois is good too, at least in the Chicago suburbs. I can hop on a train and go downtown any time I want, I've got good schools, good community, and lots to do.
I'll have to look into Illinois, I'm originally from Ohio, and oh boy let me tell you, I hate Columbus. It's practically half of the state at this point. And that sucks, the extended area is seriously changing how Ohio looks, so many suburbs, so many factories.