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[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Every consumer has input in to what a company does by simply choosing to support the company or not. Companies tend to move really quick to fix shit when they see profit margins start to dip.

No one is being forced to use either platform, and it is the platforms choice who they allow to use it. Don't like their rules, go else where.

Kind of like Lemmy instances. Don't like the rules, go somewhere you can agree with them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Your choices are "follow YouTube's rules" or "don't distribute video content".

YouTube has a monopoly.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There's like [checks notes] 2 more video platforms on the internet!

No reason these people can't post on those, or host their own.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Unless they want it to be possible that people see their content.

Let's assume that if you share a YouTube video, you get a 1% click through to people watching the video. If you share the same video the same way, but hosted on your own platform, it will drop to .0001%. It's not viable. People will watch YouTube. They won't watch on random other platforms.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Unless they want it to be possible that people see their content.

That's what the airwaves are for.

But no, really, Youtube is neither that open nor that essential that the people not there are Somehow Invisible on the Internet. And even if that was somehow the case, you actually don't need to upload video, you can just use a normal youtube account to comment and link your content wherever relevant "conversations" lead there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes, it absolutely is that dominant.

And no, there's no possibility whatsoever that linking to content in the comments will result in any traffic whatsoever, even if you didn't get banned immediately. That's not how people use the internet.

Network effect is a massive problem and platforms who leverage network effect need to be held to different standards.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

and platforms who leverage network effect need to be held to different standards

Then do so. Come on. It's 2024.

Until something is seriously done, being able to at least go elsewhere has to be and is the rational option that is left.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

There is no "elsewhere" that is remotely viable. That's the entire point.

The only rational option is YouTube because there is no path to succeeding anywhere else. Trying any other platform after being kicked off YouTube cannot be rational because it cannot succeed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean , not with that attitude certainly. And dog that doesn't bark doesn't eat.

But if you want to be self-defeatist, you do you. I'd thought half the point you were even here, in a platform that is not GAFAM, was that you weren't.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's not the discussion.

It's whether the literal only possible way for a small creator to theoretically make successful content should be allowed to control the entirety of video content on the planet with their censorship.

Making content that you want people to watch that can't go on YouTube is well past irrational. It's full on delusion. Pretending that they don't have a monopoly or that literally any class of legal speech they restrict isn't automatically, in every possible situation, abuse of their monopoly position is nonsense.

There is no attitude capable of making it possible to get videos actually distributed anywhere but YouTube. It cannot be done. You're better off getting your investment in cash and lighting it on fire.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

It's certainly and obviously not, but:

  • YT is not anywhere near the "literal only possible way". Heck, air TV still exists!
  • even tho it isn't, I don't see you nor anyone acting to that extent, instead you go on a self-defeatist-for-everyone attitude.

Does Youtube have a monopoly and network effect? Sure, absolutely, and someone's gotta correct that. But it's not a complete monopoly in the sense of "if you don't eat you die". If the main supermarket in the area doesn't like me because "boobs" or something, I can still go to a minimarket.

...Look, you really get tiresome. I'd ask if you are fine but honestly you are not my problem. If you need serotonin or something, get you seen; don't try to drain mine.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Compelling argument.

I will just go and do a quick search to find plenty of alternative hosting platforms and choose to use one of them to immediately distribute video content and nullify your only point.

Youtube only maintains a monopoly if people choose to use the platform. Alternatives exist. Self hosting exists. Doing something more productive than posting "content" online exists. Lets not forget about the film industry.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Having a website people can theoretically watch your video on isn't distribution.

People watching your video is distribution.

There's nowhere but YouTube where you can host video and have actual meaningful viewership be a possibility. YouTube has an absolute, complete dominance of the video space.