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[–] [email protected] 66 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Is it bad to say that I genuinely hate liberals more than the far right

[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Nope. Not at all; in fact, I'd say that means you have a working sense of indignance and contempt because cracker democrats will smile in your face as they try and cudgel a vote out of you. The real sickening part is the moment it processes that their approach doesn't and will not work on you? That's when they get more hateful, more racist, more -phobic than the far right.

If you're Black, they'll tell you that not voting for them is a vote for everyone you love getting put up a tree by 'Trumpers'. When more than half of the dead Black martyrs over the last fifteen years have been slabbed out by Northerner cops in supposedly-Democrat cities; when it's been Democrats funnelling PDs military surplus via 1033, when it's been Democrats drafting up the plans for Cop Cities in the first place.

If you're any kind of Middle-eastern, bc trust, these crackers can't tell the difference, they'll invoke the subway attacks and random shootings that settlers keep orchestrating on ANYONE they think is Palestinian.

If you're any kind of LGBTQ, they'll invoke Project 2025 and breathlessly pearlclutch about how you'll lose everything the movement has gained if you don't support their genocide, because no one in the middle east has your rights like you do right here. Despite western Pride both not being a necessity to the outer world, AND already having been pinkwashed by cops and corporates thanks to the weak-link white gays to the point that if you look just across the pond at blahaj.zone, they're already eagerly slobbing on Democrat low quarters and we're only halfway through August.

And then, after all that, if their cudgeling still doesn't work? That's when they wish everything they just said on you directly, like some kind of peckerwood malediction. At least a fascist won't try to present himself as a friend just to take the mask off when it's clear I'm not buying what he's selling.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago

Thank you for typing this up. This is essentially my belief system but I couldn't be bothered writing it all down. The liberals I have known have done nothing but throw me under the bus at every opportune moment while still pretending to be my friend or care about my people.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season."

  • MLK, Letter from a Birmingham Jail
[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It's almost funny to see liberals quoting this at 'centrist' liberals as though they aren't basically identical.

Almost.

agony-limitless

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is a great quote, it has been some time since I read up on MLK so I forgot who had said it. I agree with it completely.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago (3 children)

mostly, he also had some bad takes

I’m not talking about communism. What I’m talking about is far beyond communism. My inspiration didn’t come from Karl Marx; my inspiration didn’t come from Engels; my inspiration didn’t come from Trotsky; my inspiration didn’t come from Lenin. Yes, I read Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital a long time ago, and I saw that maybe Marx didn’t follow Hegel enough. He took his dialectics, but he left out his idealism and his spiritualism. And he went over to a German philosopher by the name of Feuerbach, and took his materialism and made it into a system that he called “dialectical materialism.” I have to reject that.

What I’m saying to you this morning is communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social. And the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism, but in a higher synthesis. It is found in a higher synthesis that combines the truths of both.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What I’m saying to you this morning is communism forgets that life is individual. Capitalism forgets that life is social. And the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism, but in a higher synthesis. It is found in a higher synthesis that combines the truths of both.

centrist NOOOOO

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Cornel West is the same. You sometimes hear him talk and you think "what a wonderful human being" and then he says something that makes you want to poke your eyes out...

I'll stick to Lenin for inspiration, thank you very much.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'll stick to Lenin for inspiration, thank you very much.

Lenin used to have struggle sessions with his own wife where he argued (a bit like a modern STEMbro) that librarians and teachers weren't legitimate workers and should be somehow phased out of society. His wife changed his mind over time.

I never forgot that once I learned about that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He was literally a professional theologian and his beliefs were instrumental to his activist work. And when was this quote from? He became more and more fervently anti-capitalist as time went on and he realized that the United States was a "burning house" due to its broken economic system.

He spoke a few times saying that Communist states hadn't aligned themselves to the same freedoms as America is supposed to, etc. etc. It's pretty bread and butter appealing to red scare America rhetoric, and it's much less anti Communist than almost anything else that was remotely mainstream from the time. So I say he gets a pass.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Where Do We Go From Here? August 1967, 8 months before being assassinated

pointing out a bad take doesn’t diminish his accomplishments, being a demsoc is still good, he knew the feds were after him and what his audience needed to hear and definitely gets a pass

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

Hard agree. Too bad seeing that in '67 though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

I can't say it's a bad take as I haven't read Feuerbach

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, sad that schools teach such a watered down version of him.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 months ago (2 children)

At least the fash is honest about being pieces of shit. Liberals wants you to pretend they're the good guys.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago

Pretty much this. I hate the moral high horse that liberals ride on more than anything.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

(CW gross shit) its Political Nice Guyism. They wanna pretend they care soo much, and things will be better under them I promise, and how could we not want to vote for such nice progressive people like them??

But then when you tell them you won't support genocide? They take the mask off. "That's fine that you're too stupid to know what's good for you, I hope Trump throws you in a camp you ugly bitch"

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

I'mma start calling votescolds political incels, that is a top notch comparison

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

And when they do get in, they're all jumping over themselves to libsplain to you why they're doing Jack shit about those progressive noises they made during the campaign: "now is not the time", "but the national credit card", "but the terror threat", "but their legitimate concerns" or they pull out some teeny-tiny little token improvement, the 1% that separates 99% Hitler from 100% Hitler, and want you to be impressed that they made a plan for making 20% of the food served to children in concentration camps organic by 2075.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The enemy that tells you to your face they want to kill you is better than the enemy that smiles at you while sliding a knife into your back.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago

One is the obvious enemy, the other is cynically occupying the space of progressive. A parasite sucking up radical potential and dissipating it or redirecting it into nonthreatening outlets (like bourgeois electoralism)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

Chuds don't pretend they're your friend while shooting your comrades dead.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

They both support mass murder but the libs are condescendingly smug about it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It’s better to deal with assholes than getting fuck over by hypocrites