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Just a thing to think about, free speech is always going to appeal to Nazis, just as it should for most other people. Freedom of speech in the American sense where certain speech is not protected (such as screaming fire in a movie theater when there is no fire) is a right that we should continue to attempt to protect, even from people we disagree with (within reason, as mentioned above).
Sure. And Nazism is a direct threat not protected by freedom of expression.
I don't disagree in the slightest, hopefully you understood what I meant though.
We understood, it just didn’t contribute anything and appeared to actively defend nazis.
Lol k
The portion of the left that seeks to censor everything, removing people's freedoms in a misguided attempt to stop terrible ideas from spreading are just shooting yourselves in the foot long term. I say this as a staunch lefty
Not that anyone here cares to see nuance evidenced by somehow turning my comment into Nazi apologism regardless of what I directly stated.
Nice edit
In case anyone is curious the initial response was just that first line but they decided to try to save face. They mad
It was just initially "k lol" because I was annoyed, absolutely true.
I added extra context after I was less irritated definitely.
Edits aren't hidden are they?
Edit: 1 minute later, would you have preferred I responded to myself or..?
This scenario always reminds me of the very first part of this speech on free speech from Christopher Hitchens.
This idiom comes from an analogy in a SCOTUS opinion arguing that checks notes it's a violation of the Espionage Act to distribute flyers that oppose the draft. That case was later partly overturned in Brandenburg v Ohio and the standard is that speech isn't incitement unless it is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action. To the point that "$SLUR should hang from trees" is probably protected speech (because the lawless action isn't imminent), but "you guys, grab that $SLUR over there so we can string them up!" probably isn't.
So defending free speech inevitably means defending white supremacists and the like because free speech doesn't actually protect anything if it doesn't protect upsetting, outrageous, or offensive speech (and likewise, the arbiter of what counts as offensive is not guaranteed to always be on your side). It's why the ACLU has defended them on more than one occasion. H.L. Mencken put it best.
“The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.” ― H.L. Mencken
Thanks, said what I was implying 👍