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CW: discussions of SV, SA, sui. Prison abolition: what about the violent criminals? I recommend watching this when you are able if you are a survivor. (yt.artemislena.eu)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yea, obviously vigilante justice comes with issues.

With prison abolition, its not necessarily against 'separating someone from society'.

But that's... Imprisoning them? If we trap abusers in a place they can't leave, that's a prison.

prison itself is a threat for more violence to victims in many cases (for example, vigilante justice against your rapist will send you there to be further raped).

Yes, and I don't want such people sent to prison. Or speeders, or drug "crimes" or probably other things. But I still think we need to remove people from others, and I suppose a prison is less severe then just killing 'em.

If it were a fairly normal community, except it is separated from society, that is far more acceptable I think.

But you do need to make sure they can't leave, physically. How would that not be a prison? I mean we could improve on our current prisons a lot, and should. But when I start imagining how you would actually, physically keep potentially dangerous people away from society...

Also I just don't think child abusers deserve that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

But that's... Imprisoning them? If we trap abusers in a place they can't leave, that's a prison.

Yeah, I guess thats true, but I feel like its a semantics thing and there needs to be a better word than 'reform' or 'prison abolition'. Restorative justice feels nice at least