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The wording of these threat messages gets more hilarious by the day.
Mods have a position of trust- so do admins and company management. We trust them to maintain a non-evil platform, and in exchange we give them content and ad impressions. That applies to all users not just mods.
As I see it, they just altered the deal.
No more is it 'we provide a platform, you are welcome to grow your communities on it with minimal interference', now it's 'you'll run your communities as we tell you to for our benefit, and if you run your community in a way we don't like we will take said community away from you'.
If that had been the offered bargain from the beginning, many if not most of the Reddit communities would have chosen a different home.
Yeah, I find it extremely off putting how they feel so confident to declare ownership over content we all gave them and built for free. Worse, at the same time they accuse US of being freeloaders! If I'm contributing free content I expect at a minimum some respect and civility in return, not being treated like some free slave labour.
Doesn't reddit have the legal right to do basically anything with the content users create there?
I have no legal knowledge, but this seems pretty fucked to me...
Yes, they do, which is unsettling and why I've decided not to give them any more content.
any platform with user content needs basic license from users to let the platform display content that is owned by the users
That's true, but most of the terms are scoped as "to provide the service." This is explicitly scoped to allow them to do anything "in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world" and even claims to be able to use your name and voice and possibly photo if it's "connected" with your content. I can't imagine something this broad would be held up in courts but who knows.
I'm just saying, they do this and also demanded r/piracy open back up, so shouldn't that mean reddit is now involved with piracy and should be gone after by media companies?
That's not really how it works. They can claim safe harbor from piracy that occurs on their forums and if they are demanding all communities open up then it's not an endorsement of certain subjects over others.
Just ownership and control over the content if it makes them money.
Basically "We can do what we want and you gotta suck a lemon".
Legally justifiable... but ethically? That's the real question.
Bingo!!! It's so fucking distasteful and entitled. That alone is what will keep me off the platform for the rest of my life.
Reddit took money from Peter Thiel. That ship sailed a long, long time ago.
Perhaps. They also took money from the Chinese. Of course it's totally coincidental how anti-China articles sometimes seem to disappear for no apparent reason...
Just to be pedantic about it, because someone'll bring it up eventually: They took money from Tencent -- and a lot of it -- which, indeed, had close ties to the Chinese government (and now it sounds like the government owns a significant share of the company, but it didn't at the time of investment). Tencent absolutely looks out for things that could negatively affect its relationship with the government of China.
I don't mean to overlook the role Tencent has in enabling an authoritarian regime and papering over their authoritarian acts.
But they took white supremacist and actual fascist Peter Thiel's money like 5 years before they took Tencent's.