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I wrote in "Gaza" on the primary, but come november I am 100% sure that I'm gonna be voting D as hard as I can because my partner is trans and I'd rather not be driven from the country by transphobia, thanks.
Criticising the democrats for when they're not good is absolutely valid, but at the same time, get out and vote for them and mobilize as many voters for them as you can, because the difference in outcome between the two parties with legitimate chances of winning is too great to throw away your votes protesting the lesser of two evils. By all means, keep protesting (In other ways, besides the ballot box), but also do your part to make sure that we get the lesser of two evils, not the greater.
Nobody is talking about "criticizing Democrats". We're talking about active censorship of criticism of the Democratic party, because of their support of israel.
When you go on .world you find people not just saying what you are saying, but enthusiastically praising Biden as one of the greatest presidents of all time and lying about him standing up to israel. And that gets upvoted.
Violence against trans individuals has increased under Biden. That isn't because Biden is "tougher on trans issues," it's because the DNC is doing absolutely nothing to prevent the root cause of fascism from rising, which is decaying Capitalism.
Vote for whoever you want, but if you want to protect your partner, you'll likely get best results by living in a blue area of a blue state, regardless of who is in the federal office.
Capitalism is an enabler not a cause of fascism, there’s a difference
What do you believe to be the cause of fascism, the declining material conditions of Capitalism, or the spread of dangerous ideas?
In my opinion, the latter is only possible if the former is already true. Historically, fascism has been an attempt by the Bourgeoisie and Petite Bourgeoisie to ally and "turn the clock back" to the "good old days." It's why we see so many small business owners riding the Tesla Train, and why Musk has been supporting fascists on X like EndWokeness and LibsOfTikTok. This extreme nationalism and hardcore embrace of "tradition" is economic in cause.
Capitalism leads to fascism or Socialism, whoever wins the struggle as it dies. It's up to Leftists to struggle against fascism at every step so that we can progress forwards, not regress.
We're absolutely planning to live in a blue state. But the ability to be safe even in blue states is in question if Trump gets elected again. If he does, then we're probably gonna try to get out of the country as quickly as possible rather than waiting around to find out.
Generally Blue states have managed to keep things like Abortion Protections and whatnot in place, as well as other progressive social protections, and even in the face of a possible federal crackdown, the people in blue areas of blue states aren't suddenly going to have a switch in their brain turn red, you and your partner should be safe. I encourage you to do what you believe is best for you and your partner, my point was to drive home that the DNC likely will not be able to protect your partner if you live in a red state, or a red area of a blue state. If your plan was to hope Kamala gets elected and institutes federal protections of transgender people in Red States, then I hope you reconsidered your plan.
We don't live in those "generally" times, currently. One of our candidates is running on a fascist platform, tried to do a fascist coup (and got away with no consequences for it), and has both promised and planned to overthrow democracy if he's elected.
Maybe he would be prevented from doing all that stuff even if he won, but I'm definitely not counting on that. I'm gonna be fleeing like a jew from Nazi Germany because quite frankly that's what I see it potentially becoming, and they've definitely painted a target on the backs of trans people in particular.
I am under no illusions that the democrats will be fully on our side, but when the other side is specifically trying to wipe out people like my partner, they're a very clear choice. I'd much rather live under a government that's not actively trying to wipe us out.
Then why do you think Kamala winning would stop the movement towards fascism? If the fascists don't care about democracy, do you expect them to just sit there if they lose electorally?
Do what you need to do to keep yourself and your partner safe, but don't depend on dems winning the federal election to protect.
If the democrats lose the election, I fully expect them to roll over and let Trump take power. In that case, Trump would have the institutions on his side, even as he seeks to dismantle those same institutions going forward. Democrats constantly show themselves to be willing to play by the rules, even as Republicans show themselves to be willing to bend those rules.
If he loses the election, I expect there will be an attempt to take power anyways (again), but I think that attempt is likely to fail (again) when he doesn't have the institutions on his side.
The degree of difference between the two potential outcomes is quite pronounced. You can say "Both sides bad" and you'd be right, but bad vs good is not a binary, it's a spectrum, and there's a huge degree of difference in how bad the two sides are.
This is the bit that I don't quite agree with. If the fascists are powerful enough to assert absolute power if they win, then they are also powerful enough to overturn the results if they lose. This is what has historically happened with fascism, you can't get it to leave by playing nice. Either they are strong enough to overturn the election anyways, or they aren't strong enough to overpower blue states in a GOP federal win.
Hitler gained power "legally" and then made changes to secure and increase it until he was a dictator
Mussolini was democratically elected, then secured and increased his power until he was a dictator
Trump will try to get elected, then try to secure and increase his power until he is a dictator
Most institutions follow the laws, so a person trying to seize power by force will have to fight much harder that someone that gains power through normal means, and then manipulates said institutions from the inside
Hitler lost the 1932 Election, the liberals sided with the fascists and conceded power. It was "above board," but could only happen because of the embedded influence of the Nazi Party.