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PSA: Grayjay is really good (lemmy.zip)

submitted 3 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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cross-posted from: https://sopuli.xyz/post/15242858

Saw Louis Rossmans original video on the app and figured (and it may well have been) it would be buggy and awful at that point. Decided to gike it a try, the app has all the options I could want for watching youtube, it's multiplatform to a much greater degree than Newpipe and it's forks.

The reason I don't ever expect to go back to Newpipe or Libretube is the plugins update through the app, meaning I can get bypasses to YouTubes bullshit as fast as they're developed.

Newpipe is usually updated quickly, but in my experience forks like Tubular that include sponsorblocks often delay me from getting that update.

Overall, very good experience so far!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No. GrayJay is good and I'm glad I gave FUTO money for two licenses because it is worth paying for; "free" does not necessarily mean "as in dollars".

Also, did the irony of issuing orders to strangers in the very same attempt to "defend" (and I am being generous with that word) the ideals of free and open source software, not give you the slightest pause before posting?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

It isn't free software as in it doesn't have a license that respects the 4 freedoms. If it was under a license that granted its users the irrevocable right to run, study, modify and distribute the source code without restriction then it would be considered foss.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

It's free software as in, it's free. You can continue mumbling your nonsense in the corner of course, the rest of us have bigger issues than whether someone we don't actually know can use word "free" like everybody else.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The free software definition can be found here:

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

I have no issue paying for software or donating. What concerns me is the restrictions on the source code. I think Grayjay is popular simply because some YouTube star made it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Or maybe because it's good? Have you tried the Occam's Razor thing? You need to realize that by and large, users could not possibly care any less about source code available if you gave them money for it.

And the software has upsides. Compared to NewPipe (what I had before):

Updates in finite time after Youtube breaks something.
Can actually log in with your youtube account, directly accessing your subscriptions and so on, instead of having go through the complicated export/unzip/import process every time you change your subscriptions and want to resync them.
Includes more sources, and pretty heterogenuous ones at that. Nice all-in-one app.

And keep in mind, nobody who is not a gnu cares whether for some hyper-specific context that this post is not in, "free" can mean the sourcecode is freely available. The english language already uses the word "free" in everyday parlour, and if you use english, you know those uses. One of which being "costs you nothing". Trying to argue around that just makes people less likely to care about source code availability because frankly, you're being a dick to people for no bloody reason.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

I guess you're unfamiliar with that user but basically their entire Lemmy existence is just arguing with people about the things they own or use because "my thing is better". They are very active in privacy communities and constantly start pointless arguments by being needlessly oppositional whenever someone dares to recommend or even discuss something that they don't personally use. I don't think it's trolling or bad faith, I think they just genuinely have real difficulty seeing the world from any point of view other than their own. Hence this idea that Grayjay can't possibly have users because people enjoy using it - there must be some other explanation, like that we're all Louis Rossmann fans.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I just see Grayjay as an imposter. It is less private and completely bans forking to start a new project.

Take a look at what is now the Fossify app suite. It was Simple mobile tools but that was bought out by some Israel firm. It was forked and is now Fossify mobile tools. The old Simple mobile tools is now not on F-droid.

If Grayjay turns into a scam there is no legal way you can fork it. You are completely locked in. That is my primary concern.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but every few years technology moves on, anyways. I no longer use the same video client I used 5 years ago on my mobile. Maybe in 5 years I'll use another. It's just an app, not a lifestyle. 🤷

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

It's just an app, not a lifestyle. 🤷

Now apply that thought to VLC and how many distros and apps use their libraries.