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Okay, so Russia Invaded Ukraine. Russia is the Aggressor.
The Hamas attacked Israel, so Israel exterminates Palestine and claims it wants to exterminate the Hamas. The Hamas have committed Warcrimes and hides the self behind Civilians and the IDF does a whole lot of warcrimes too. Both sides are shirt,, just the IDF has done a bit more shit than the Hamas. Theres no good side in this conflict. Both sides want to exterminate each other and sacrifice the Palestinian civilians for this.
I don't know where you see a more black and white scheme in the middle east conflict than in the Ukraine war, but I'm willing to read your explanation.
You appear to forget 75 years of israel invading Palestine. And putting Palestinians in a concentration camp.
And 75 Years of the Hamas Attacking Israel. Israel has killed much more Palestinians that the other way around, but its still more complicated than The Ukraine war.
Hamas hasn't been around for 75 years.
There was no nation of israel before Israel committed mass murder and near genocide on the Palestinian people. Then they shoved them into the concentration camp of Gaza. Made them.wear special green badges just like the Nazis made them wear the star of David arm bands. They make Palestinian people walk on the opposite side of the street in many places. They do not have the same rights to life liberty or property that Jews have. The Israelis were the first aggressors. And have continued almost 100 years of brutalization against the civilian people. The Israelis are no better than the Nazis that they fled from and in my opinion are not deserving of a nation of their own.
Hamas has not existed for 75 years. It is born as a resistance movement against Genocide.
Than let me formulate it in another way: 75 years of the Palestinian also attacking Israel.
75 years of Palestinians resisting colonization you mean right?
Ukraine has also been attacking russian troops since the beginning of the invasion, what's your point?
If Ukraine started a terror campaign against non-combatants, it would be a reasonable comparison. Problem is that while you can cite Hamas operations against military/police targets, we shouldn't ignore the operations on non-combatants. Even as the IDF has done wrong, Hamas has done wrong in a similar way, albeit with fewer resources and thus to a lesser extent at this point.
It's what I hate about the whole "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter", it likes to present even terroristic acts as morally relative according to context, but it's just not the case.
That highlights the point precisely. Ukraine is targeting Russian troops, i.e. legitimate military targets. Hamas targets civilians and uses civilians as human shields. The IDF doesnt care how many civilians they have to go through to get to Hamas.
They also started sending unmanned air vehicles with explosives to Russian infrastructure such as oil. Which I'm not against. Because they're defending themselves against an invasion. As Palestine is doing. The situation of Palestinians is much, MUCH more dire than that of Ukrainians, so it's only to be expected (not to be confused with justified) that their response is also more violent.
Sorry, but that's strictly false, and propagating that shit is heinous. I'll paste here what someone else said in the comments:
My point is, that in The current conflict the Hamas attacked first. Ukraine didnt.
Palestinians was there before Israel was even conceived, and the first Nakba, in 1948, which marks the hard line of the invasion, in which 750k+ Palestinians were forcibly relocated, was started by Israel. History didn't start on October 7th
That's why I pointed out that the CURRENT conflict has been started by the Hamas. Israel may have started this conflict a long time ago, but the Palestinians also have their fair share of commiting warcrimes and violence against Israel.
If Jewish people in Nazi Germany had started a series of terrorist attacks against civilians, would you be comparing them to Nazis and telling that "both have a fair share of blood in their hands"? Because it's THAT black and white.
Ukraine attacked first after Russia invaded them.
The only difference is one of those people is brown and you believe colonizing brown people is okay.
Bro wtf? I never said that colonizing Palestine is OK. I fucking told you that Israel is also commuting large amounts of warcrimes and is commuting genocide. I told you that both sides(Israel,Hamas) are fucking assholes that don't care about the Palestinian people who are the biggest loosers of this conflict. Where the hell did I said something racist?
Hamas is trying to achieve a ceasefire right now. Israel is not.
This is not a both sides thing. You have just never bothered to read up anything about Hamas.
The racist part is where you sympathize with white people resisting annexation but believe brown people resisting far worse settler colonization and Genocide is very wrong.
I never said that.
And? It is good that they try to achieve a ceasefire, but that doesn't mean, that they are the ultimatively completely neutral good guy.
Hamas exhausted all peaceful options and israel kept Genociding Palestinians. Only violent resistance against Genocide remains.
This is like condemning the condemning the ANC when they fought against Apartheid or the slaves during the slave revolt
Every mainstream racist American did condemn those things during that time by the way. And the news about it described them the same way we describe Hamas now.
75 years of history that quite literally nullifies it being black and white, because history, as well understood by historians, only makes things more clearly visible, obviously.
75 years of Genocide makes it pretty black and white to me.
You're kinda downplaying the word genocide with your comment. Not a very efficient genocide if it's been going on for 75 years.
This is not an opinion of mine, it's what I read from your comment.
and germany was committing genocide for 45 years??? (hitlers general age of doing things)
Please fuck off.
And helping Hamas get into power in order to
If you want to see what happens when Palestinians cooperate with Israel, look at the West Bank:
https://apnews.com/a-look-at-how-settlements-have-grown-in-the-west-bank-over-the-years-0000019079d8d0f6a3da79dcbd0a0000
Dude they have been fighting for the whole time and for every bad thing Isreal has done Hamas has done one back.
Ever heard of the saying "and eye for an eye and the whole world is blind". Well both sides are blind now.
The only correct take is that both sides suck and the palastenian people are the ones who suffer. To take a side in this conflict is uninformed, as both sides have way too much blood on their hands. This is very far from black and white and simple.
Damn, that's disgusting. I'll rephrase it in terms that hopefully will make you understand why it's disgusting: "Ukraine has been fighting back the invasion the whole time, and for every bad thing Russia has done, Ukraine has done one back"
What are Palestinians supposed to do? Peacefully accept being relocated and murdered by the hundreds of thousands? Should Ukrainians just have given up? Is Ukraine wrong for targeting infrastructure inside Russia with explosive unmanned air vehicles now?
One side has blood on their hands because it's the invader, the other has blood on their hands because it's the invaded. This is the most stupid take I've seen.
This is just blatantly false. You don't know anything about the history.
What was the 2018 march to return? Only one side is seeking peace. And israel only seeks destruction.
This Genocide is what israel has been doing for over 75 years.