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    [โ€“] [email protected] 75 points 3 months ago (14 children)

    Almost every time I restart my Windows PC from an update, it sits on the "closing apps screen" or "restarting" screen then gives up completely and I have to force it to shut down/restart

    And, just about every other time I restart with an update, it closes apps and then just fully shuts down after the update!

    It's super graceful! ๐Ÿ˜ญ

    [โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children)

    "restarting" for 15 minutes. Then crashes. Now I have to reinstall updates and go through it all over again. I hate how crappy the windows update process has become.

    Except for the immutable versions I have, Linux almost never needs to reboot after an update. Upgrades, yes, but not standard updates. And even after upgrades, it just works [(except for one of the immutable versions I have)].

    I usually close all programs before shutting down / rebooting, anyway (a habit I picked up from Win95 days, where it would crash if programs prevented it from shutting down), so I don't really feel this SIGKILL issues.

    [โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Linux almost never needs to reboot after an update

    Doesn't it often need a reboot to apply some updates?

    I rember reading something along those lines then I was researching why Fedora installs some updates after a reboot. Most

    [โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Fedora is the immutable I was referring to that does need to reboot. Linux Mint and OpenSuse only need to reboot after an upgrade. I've never had to reboot them after updates. Mileage may vary, of course, as different people have different software, tools, and libraries installed.

    [โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

    I was talking about regular fedora. It's not that you have to reboot, but you don't get to use those updates until you do. The most obvious example is updating the kernel and its modules.

    [โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

    You're correct. A kernel update would fall under the umbrella of a system upgrade, where the system needs to shut down to allow underlying components to be reloaded.

    [โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

    to be fair, fedora downloads and apply the update before reboot, windows download, apply and then reboot, that's why it take so much time

    [โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

    Right, but Fedora failures allows me still to boot. Windows failures forces an uninstallation of the update, killing even more time. There are good and bad things to each approach.

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