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[β] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 240 points 2 years ago (4 children) Let's be honest, the whole thing has always been a little weird. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] Ephera@lemmy.ml 200 points 2 years ago (5 children) I'm German and learned about this via a friend from the US. When they mentioned it, I thought their teacher was a lunatic. Then they told me that this is normal course of action. Just what in the absolute fuck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [β] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 140 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Yes. It's far more than "a little weird". It's how you breed nationalists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (2 children) USA hasn't run into the consequences of nationalism hard enough yet when it backfires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bread@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 years ago I am not looking forward to the find out stage of all this fucking around. permalink fedilink source parent [β] rekorse@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Everyone forgets the 90s and Timothy McVeigh so quickly. I bet some people dont even know that was nationalism. permalink fedilink source parent [+] match@pawb.social -53 points 2 years ago (1 child) it's how some suit with no research thinks you breed nationalists permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] lseif@sopuli.xyz 41 points 2 years ago well apparently it's working... permalink fedilink source parent [β] Glowstick@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) It depends on where and when in the US. In areas that are Democratic (the more liberal party) it doesn't really happen much anymore, but in areas that are Republican (the more conservative party) it still happens at the start of every single school day. And the custom of doing this was started by a salesman trying to sell flags and magazine subscriptions. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy#Pledge_of_Allegiance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Ephera@lemmy.ml 44 points 2 years ago (1 child) They really make it too easy to draw the parallels: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] errer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean thatβs just an unfortunate coincidence given it predated the rise of naziism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Ephera@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago Oh yeah, it definitely is in that sense. The point is that patriotism is hard to discern from facism. That they happened to use the same symbol here is just a good illustration of that. Ultimately, the Hitler Salute also started out as a symbol of patriotism before it all turned to genocide. permalink fedilink source parent [β] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) It's state law where I live IIRC. They force you to say it, because of legal precedent, but the school can apparently get in trouble with the state if they don't say it at the start of the day. It was always funny when we'd all stand up and only the teachers and maybe three students would say it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ripcord@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Might want to proofread that second sentence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Thanks lol permalink fedilink source parent [β] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) itβs an anachronism from the red scare in the 50βs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) An anachronism because there aren't still powerful forces in America trying to witch hunt people with left-leaning ideas? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] lugal@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago C'mon, don't be ridiculous! If the US was so anti left, Sanders would never make it to become president! We don't want to live in the timeline where the Republicans won the 2016 election because the Democrats didn't dare to send Sanders because he's too far left. permalink fedilink source parent [β] SOB_Van_Owen@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Growing up, for a time my folks were way into the evangelical thing and I attended a totally batshit religious school where we recited 3 pledges back-to-back every morning. To the U.S. flag, the Christian flag and the Bible. Then had to recite entire chapters of the Bible we had per force committed to memory that week. Failure to do so was grounds for savage corporal punishment. No other experience in life so inoculated me against authoritarianism and organized religion. It also let me know at that tender age that sadists existed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] odium@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago In Texas, all public schools do two pledges. One to the US and one to Texas. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Juvyn00b@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago My wife used to work for a company that had a morning stand up and daily affirmation. I told her it sounded like she was in a cult. She agreed. permalink fedilink source parent [β] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago (2 children) In high school like 15 years ago we not only had the regular pledge, we had to pledge to the Texas state flag. Which you hold out your hand like you are holding something? "Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible." It's all hot garbage and unquestioning nationalism. The good bit was, only one teacher ever gave me flack for sitting out the pledge with my little emo ass. And that was my ultra conservative AP US Government teacher. And he was just a nut ball. But when I framed it as my freedom he chilled. He was still wrong about flat taxes not being regressive! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago* (2 children) but how can you pledge allegiance to two separate entities? scenario A: if texas ever attempted secession then youβd have to break one of your pledges. scenario B: Texas always remains loyal to the US, which makes the texas pledge superfluous. you pledged allegiance to the US which includes texas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago It's to incept the idea of secession into little kids head's. Paint Texas as self sufficient and not dependent at all. Then make em want to leave. I hate this state, but if all the liberals leave, it will only get worse for the next set of young people born here. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [β] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago That's so weird to me. I grew up in an area of Texas that is very red today. We quit both pledges in the 3rd or 4th grade. It's weird that we did it at all, but that was back when they also taught that freedom of the individual was super important and if you didn't like what someone else was doing you could always just look away because it wasn't your fucking business. So they didn't make us do it at a certain point because it was counter to the other shit they said. That was in the years leading up to Ann Richards being voted as governor so that may inform outsiders of what was happening at the time. There's a lot of problematic shit that happened when I was a kid. Don't get me wrong. But at least they seemed to be headed the right direction at the time with the info we had (that's a whole other ball of garbage that I'm not picking at today...ask me another time when it's not 3am). I had forgotten about both pledges as an adult until someone reminded me a few years ago that it was a thing. Texas has gotten way more idiotic over the last 30 odd years. permalink fedilink source parent [β] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 21 points 2 years ago A little weird? permalink fedilink source parent [β] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago It gets weirder permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Ephera@lemmy.ml 200 points 2 years ago (5 children) I'm German and learned about this via a friend from the US. When they mentioned it, I thought their teacher was a lunatic. Then they told me that this is normal course of action. Just what in the absolute fuck. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [β] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 140 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Yes. It's far more than "a little weird". It's how you breed nationalists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (2 children) USA hasn't run into the consequences of nationalism hard enough yet when it backfires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bread@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 years ago I am not looking forward to the find out stage of all this fucking around. permalink fedilink source parent [β] rekorse@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Everyone forgets the 90s and Timothy McVeigh so quickly. I bet some people dont even know that was nationalism. permalink fedilink source parent [+] match@pawb.social -53 points 2 years ago (1 child) it's how some suit with no research thinks you breed nationalists permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] lseif@sopuli.xyz 41 points 2 years ago well apparently it's working... permalink fedilink source parent [β] Glowstick@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) It depends on where and when in the US. In areas that are Democratic (the more liberal party) it doesn't really happen much anymore, but in areas that are Republican (the more conservative party) it still happens at the start of every single school day. And the custom of doing this was started by a salesman trying to sell flags and magazine subscriptions. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy#Pledge_of_Allegiance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Ephera@lemmy.ml 44 points 2 years ago (1 child) They really make it too easy to draw the parallels: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] errer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean thatβs just an unfortunate coincidence given it predated the rise of naziism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Ephera@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago Oh yeah, it definitely is in that sense. The point is that patriotism is hard to discern from facism. That they happened to use the same symbol here is just a good illustration of that. Ultimately, the Hitler Salute also started out as a symbol of patriotism before it all turned to genocide. permalink fedilink source parent [β] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) It's state law where I live IIRC. They force you to say it, because of legal precedent, but the school can apparently get in trouble with the state if they don't say it at the start of the day. It was always funny when we'd all stand up and only the teachers and maybe three students would say it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ripcord@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Might want to proofread that second sentence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Thanks lol permalink fedilink source parent [β] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) itβs an anachronism from the red scare in the 50βs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) An anachronism because there aren't still powerful forces in America trying to witch hunt people with left-leaning ideas? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] lugal@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago C'mon, don't be ridiculous! If the US was so anti left, Sanders would never make it to become president! We don't want to live in the timeline where the Republicans won the 2016 election because the Democrats didn't dare to send Sanders because he's too far left. permalink fedilink source parent [β] SOB_Van_Owen@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Growing up, for a time my folks were way into the evangelical thing and I attended a totally batshit religious school where we recited 3 pledges back-to-back every morning. To the U.S. flag, the Christian flag and the Bible. Then had to recite entire chapters of the Bible we had per force committed to memory that week. Failure to do so was grounds for savage corporal punishment. No other experience in life so inoculated me against authoritarianism and organized religion. It also let me know at that tender age that sadists existed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] odium@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago In Texas, all public schools do two pledges. One to the US and one to Texas. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Juvyn00b@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago My wife used to work for a company that had a morning stand up and daily affirmation. I told her it sounded like she was in a cult. She agreed. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 140 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Yes. It's far more than "a little weird". It's how you breed nationalists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (2 children) USA hasn't run into the consequences of nationalism hard enough yet when it backfires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bread@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 years ago I am not looking forward to the find out stage of all this fucking around. permalink fedilink source parent [β] rekorse@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Everyone forgets the 90s and Timothy McVeigh so quickly. I bet some people dont even know that was nationalism. permalink fedilink source parent [+] match@pawb.social -53 points 2 years ago (1 child) it's how some suit with no research thinks you breed nationalists permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] lseif@sopuli.xyz 41 points 2 years ago well apparently it's working... permalink fedilink source parent
[β] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (2 children) USA hasn't run into the consequences of nationalism hard enough yet when it backfires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Bread@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 years ago I am not looking forward to the find out stage of all this fucking around. permalink fedilink source parent [β] rekorse@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Everyone forgets the 90s and Timothy McVeigh so quickly. I bet some people dont even know that was nationalism. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Bread@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 years ago I am not looking forward to the find out stage of all this fucking around. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] rekorse@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Everyone forgets the 90s and Timothy McVeigh so quickly. I bet some people dont even know that was nationalism. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] match@pawb.social -53 points 2 years ago (1 child) it's how some suit with no research thinks you breed nationalists permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] lseif@sopuli.xyz 41 points 2 years ago well apparently it's working... permalink fedilink source parent
[β] lseif@sopuli.xyz 41 points 2 years ago well apparently it's working... permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Glowstick@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) It depends on where and when in the US. In areas that are Democratic (the more liberal party) it doesn't really happen much anymore, but in areas that are Republican (the more conservative party) it still happens at the start of every single school day. And the custom of doing this was started by a salesman trying to sell flags and magazine subscriptions. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy#Pledge_of_Allegiance permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] Ephera@lemmy.ml 44 points 2 years ago (1 child) They really make it too easy to draw the parallels: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] errer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean thatβs just an unfortunate coincidence given it predated the rise of naziism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Ephera@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago Oh yeah, it definitely is in that sense. The point is that patriotism is hard to discern from facism. That they happened to use the same symbol here is just a good illustration of that. Ultimately, the Hitler Salute also started out as a symbol of patriotism before it all turned to genocide. permalink fedilink source parent [β] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) It's state law where I live IIRC. They force you to say it, because of legal precedent, but the school can apparently get in trouble with the state if they don't say it at the start of the day. It was always funny when we'd all stand up and only the teachers and maybe three students would say it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ripcord@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Might want to proofread that second sentence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Thanks lol permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Ephera@lemmy.ml 44 points 2 years ago (1 child) They really make it too easy to draw the parallels: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] errer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean thatβs just an unfortunate coincidence given it predated the rise of naziism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Ephera@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago Oh yeah, it definitely is in that sense. The point is that patriotism is hard to discern from facism. That they happened to use the same symbol here is just a good illustration of that. Ultimately, the Hitler Salute also started out as a symbol of patriotism before it all turned to genocide. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] errer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean thatβs just an unfortunate coincidence given it predated the rise of naziism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Ephera@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago Oh yeah, it definitely is in that sense. The point is that patriotism is hard to discern from facism. That they happened to use the same symbol here is just a good illustration of that. Ultimately, the Hitler Salute also started out as a symbol of patriotism before it all turned to genocide. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Ephera@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago Oh yeah, it definitely is in that sense. The point is that patriotism is hard to discern from facism. That they happened to use the same symbol here is just a good illustration of that. Ultimately, the Hitler Salute also started out as a symbol of patriotism before it all turned to genocide. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) It's state law where I live IIRC. They force you to say it, because of legal precedent, but the school can apparently get in trouble with the state if they don't say it at the start of the day. It was always funny when we'd all stand up and only the teachers and maybe three students would say it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] ripcord@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Might want to proofread that second sentence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Thanks lol permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ripcord@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Might want to proofread that second sentence permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Thanks lol permalink fedilink source parent
[β] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) itβs an anachronism from the red scare in the 50βs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) An anachronism because there aren't still powerful forces in America trying to witch hunt people with left-leaning ideas? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] lugal@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago C'mon, don't be ridiculous! If the US was so anti left, Sanders would never make it to become president! We don't want to live in the timeline where the Republicans won the 2016 election because the Democrats didn't dare to send Sanders because he's too far left. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) An anachronism because there aren't still powerful forces in America trying to witch hunt people with left-leaning ideas? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] lugal@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago C'mon, don't be ridiculous! If the US was so anti left, Sanders would never make it to become president! We don't want to live in the timeline where the Republicans won the 2016 election because the Democrats didn't dare to send Sanders because he's too far left. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] lugal@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago C'mon, don't be ridiculous! If the US was so anti left, Sanders would never make it to become president! We don't want to live in the timeline where the Republicans won the 2016 election because the Democrats didn't dare to send Sanders because he's too far left. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] SOB_Van_Owen@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Growing up, for a time my folks were way into the evangelical thing and I attended a totally batshit religious school where we recited 3 pledges back-to-back every morning. To the U.S. flag, the Christian flag and the Bible. Then had to recite entire chapters of the Bible we had per force committed to memory that week. Failure to do so was grounds for savage corporal punishment. No other experience in life so inoculated me against authoritarianism and organized religion. It also let me know at that tender age that sadists existed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] odium@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago In Texas, all public schools do two pledges. One to the US and one to Texas. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] odium@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago In Texas, all public schools do two pledges. One to the US and one to Texas. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Juvyn00b@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago My wife used to work for a company that had a morning stand up and daily affirmation. I told her it sounded like she was in a cult. She agreed. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago (2 children) In high school like 15 years ago we not only had the regular pledge, we had to pledge to the Texas state flag. Which you hold out your hand like you are holding something? "Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible." It's all hot garbage and unquestioning nationalism. The good bit was, only one teacher ever gave me flack for sitting out the pledge with my little emo ass. And that was my ultra conservative AP US Government teacher. And he was just a nut ball. But when I framed it as my freedom he chilled. He was still wrong about flat taxes not being regressive! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago* (2 children) but how can you pledge allegiance to two separate entities? scenario A: if texas ever attempted secession then youβd have to break one of your pledges. scenario B: Texas always remains loyal to the US, which makes the texas pledge superfluous. you pledged allegiance to the US which includes texas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago It's to incept the idea of secession into little kids head's. Paint Texas as self sufficient and not dependent at all. Then make em want to leave. I hate this state, but if all the liberals leave, it will only get worse for the next set of young people born here. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [β] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago That's so weird to me. I grew up in an area of Texas that is very red today. We quit both pledges in the 3rd or 4th grade. It's weird that we did it at all, but that was back when they also taught that freedom of the individual was super important and if you didn't like what someone else was doing you could always just look away because it wasn't your fucking business. So they didn't make us do it at a certain point because it was counter to the other shit they said. That was in the years leading up to Ann Richards being voted as governor so that may inform outsiders of what was happening at the time. There's a lot of problematic shit that happened when I was a kid. Don't get me wrong. But at least they seemed to be headed the right direction at the time with the info we had (that's a whole other ball of garbage that I'm not picking at today...ask me another time when it's not 3am). I had forgotten about both pledges as an adult until someone reminded me a few years ago that it was a thing. Texas has gotten way more idiotic over the last 30 odd years. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago* (2 children) but how can you pledge allegiance to two separate entities? scenario A: if texas ever attempted secession then youβd have to break one of your pledges. scenario B: Texas always remains loyal to the US, which makes the texas pledge superfluous. you pledged allegiance to the US which includes texas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago It's to incept the idea of secession into little kids head's. Paint Texas as self sufficient and not dependent at all. Then make em want to leave. I hate this state, but if all the liberals leave, it will only get worse for the next set of young people born here. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[β] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago It's to incept the idea of secession into little kids head's. Paint Texas as self sufficient and not dependent at all. Then make em want to leave. I hate this state, but if all the liberals leave, it will only get worse for the next set of young people born here. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago That's so weird to me. I grew up in an area of Texas that is very red today. We quit both pledges in the 3rd or 4th grade. It's weird that we did it at all, but that was back when they also taught that freedom of the individual was super important and if you didn't like what someone else was doing you could always just look away because it wasn't your fucking business. So they didn't make us do it at a certain point because it was counter to the other shit they said. That was in the years leading up to Ann Richards being voted as governor so that may inform outsiders of what was happening at the time. There's a lot of problematic shit that happened when I was a kid. Don't get me wrong. But at least they seemed to be headed the right direction at the time with the info we had (that's a whole other ball of garbage that I'm not picking at today...ask me another time when it's not 3am). I had forgotten about both pledges as an adult until someone reminded me a few years ago that it was a thing. Texas has gotten way more idiotic over the last 30 odd years. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago It gets weirder permalink fedilink source parent