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[–] 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Honestly this is why I just say everyone that isn't extremely straight is queer. Definitely controversial but if queer means "not straight" then everyone who isn't straight is queer. And most folks agree queer is just "not straight." I dunno what the fuck I am but I ain't straight so I'm queer. It's enough for me and for lots of folks I know. It's much clearer this way I think

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think this is objective fact thonk-trans

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I dunno I've had plenty of folks (usually who identify as gay or lesbian) say they aren't queer, they're gay or lesbian. I think it's just that crowd of old guard exclusionary gays usually.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    thonk-trans To be more charitable there are also lgbt people of older generations who may've had "queer" used as a slur against them, which is important to consider imo.

    But I generally tend to view "queer" as an umbrella for all legbutt stuff, so vivian-shrug

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    For sure. When an older gay tells me they aren't queer I'm not a dick about it, I'm happy to accept any label they want. I just think that normalizing a broader umbrella usage of queer is important long term.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    Apparently my tone here is unintentionally offensive so I'm just gonna remove it, sorry.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Queer often means "Anyone who isn't both heterosexual AND cisgender." Some people throw in "allosexual" in the mix too because some cishet aces would call themselves queer, which is valid too because identity is ultimately personal and up to one's preferred interpretation. Speaking of that, you say that you don't look at queerness and gender identity as necessarily related, but some queer people do, and that is to be respected even if you wouldn't use such terminology for yourself in the context of gender identity.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Oh for sure. I'm definitely not trying to take anyone's identity from them or invalidate them, so sorry if it comes across that way. I think dialogues about gender and sexuality are super interesting. I would definitely agree that ace is queer too, I know lots of ace queers and drift in and out of ace myself at times.

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