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I’ve briefly discussed many of these elsewhere, but in sum:
The reference to Ukrainians presumably refers to the ‘famine‐genocide’ conspiracy theory.
The reference to Poles may refer to the NKVD’s suppression of Polish conspirational groups, and the allegations that the Soviets committed the Katyn massacres.
Concerning the Chechens, Ingush, and Tatars, the shitty truth is that the Axis managed to draw substantial numbers of these people into their cause (even oppositional sources admit this), but I doubt that Moscow’s relocations were forms of collective punishment or reprisal; the determination to preserve nationalities, prevent further exposure to Axis influence, and the lack of time needed to identify the collaborators were probably more important factors in the decision:
— Felix Chuev, Molotov Remembers, p. 195
Yeah, relocation fucking sucks; thousands of innocents died, but what was the alternative? Leave them there with the Reich? Or maybe leave them there so that somebody could kill them in the middle of warfare?
I’m not asking anybody to like it. I’m not even asking anybody to forgive it. All that I’m asking is to consider this explanation, compare it with the ‘colonial racism’ one, and decide which one is more credible. With all that being said, I can’t do anything to stop people from immediately antagonizing me (again).
There is also this great paper by Grover Furr talking about the Katyn Massacre. It was one of my first glimpses into history that made be begin to question whether what was said ab the ussr was true
https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/furr_katyn_preprint_0813.pdf