Honestly, MLs tend to do this with a lot of convos, I feel.
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There is evidence to back up every single one of these claims? Why lie???
One of the lines is literally "We have to defeat Trump by voting Hillary"
https://www.cpusa.org/article/hillarys-hour/
Leaders in the 50's/60's to the modern day continued to parrot Khrushchev "revelations" about Stalin.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/40403665.pdf
Here they explicitly lay out that the movement will see victory against fascism and will lead the "Revolution", through electoral means, and that with the ballot box they can strike blows against the right wing.
https://www.cpusa.org/article/defeating-the-rightwing-on-the-road-to-socialism/
This is all beyond idealist and completely devoid of theory or Marxist policy.
I mean yes both Dems and Republicans are capitalist imperialists who are never reformable and will forever be capitalist imperialists, however while the revolution hasn't happened yet it is important to vote Dems which takes barely any effort.
Conservatives straight up are threatening the lives of minority groups and LGBTQ on an entirely different scale than democrats and life for me as a minority living in the US has gotten significantly worse since trump.
It is idealistic to just not vote or vote for some 3rd party that never wins while real shit has been ramping up for people like me from the republican side (and yes I know Dems do it too and are also bigoted racists but again Republicans do it on a whole nother scale).
Democrats have been in power in that time! Dems are complicit!
What do they actually, materially, do? Do they just talk about protection without following through?
Voting does not stop anything. It is not important.
I'll still do it, some, but it doesn't stop what's coming for all of us.
The Dems just want donations, they don't want to help anyone.
They materially exist to at least slow down the more extreme racist and bigoted narratives and policies being pushed by Republicans. If democrats didn't exist and this nations as purely Republicans we would be seeing the LGBTQ community being thrown in camps already.
Let's go with your theory that voting doesn't stop or alleviate any issues. Republican power has only been growing due to worsening conditions, and fascism is preferable to socialism in the eyes of the majority of the brainwashed reactionaries living here. We don't help vote cause "voting doesn't matter" and let Republicans win over and take every seat. The spineless dem will give in and join their side, and now we got a race of who can get more extreme right.
By the way conservatives are much more likely to vote than disillusioned Democrats. And they will vote in droves for their fascist leaders.
You already see this in republican circles already where they have really started sliding further right at an unprecedented scale. And just look at all the policies being passed in Florida, it is not looking good.
Anyone who thinks worsening conditions will lead to a communist revolution over a fascist one is not paying attention to the reactionary preference for fascism in this nation.
This does not bode well for marginalized communities. You may not give a shit but I do, as my own life has been severely negatively impacted ever since the trump presidency.
The only people who would have no fear of a republican take over are straight and white.
Do they actually do this?
There are already people in camps in the U$. They are just not people you care about. Many of them were placed there under the aegis of Dem politicians.
There are already marginalized people in camps. You're just ok with that. The Trump presidency is over, and the bad things that are happening now are under a Dem president. The Dems do not materially ease the suffering.
Amerikkka has always been as bad as 1940's fascism. Voting will never change that.
Since voting doesn't matter vote republican next election.
Homie, that's only a substantive dig to you because you think voting in the U$ is meaningful.
That doesn't support your argument or defend against mine.