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xkcd #2948: Electric vs Gas (xkcd.com)
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An idling gas engine may be annoyingly loud, but that's the price you pay for having WAY less torque available at a standstill.

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[–] 35 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Only thing stopping me having one is cost.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    For me it's cost and having a place to charge since I rent.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    Unless you take road trips often having a place to charge is literally any random Outlet. You don't need a fancy dedicated fast charger if you drive less than 100 miles in a day. Think about how many hours your car is just sitting at home, it has that many hours to charge it doesn't matter if it charges in 1 and 1/2 hours or 9 hours as long as it gets charged

    So even as a renter as long as you have any kind of outdoor outlet or garage you've got somewhere to charge

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm not who you replied to, but you are assuming a lot of the living situations for millions and millions of people. I live in a building built in the 40s and only have street parking. I do have a pretty damn good public transit system at my disposal, though. That's within reach for my short travel needs today.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    When I rented I only had street parking. In that situation an electric car is just another thing to manage. If you've got a garage to park in, sure, even with a basic 220V outlet.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I have an EV and charge at home. I love it. That said, I've lived in tons of rentals in college and immediately after. Not one of them would've had a practical option to charge, even on a regular outlet.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The cost, the fact that I don't have a parking space at my apartment, and the fact that insurance is expensive.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I don’t have a parking space at my apartment

    A way to charge it at home is also a major issue for anybody who lives in an apartment.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Not really. The cities across the world are introducing public chargers in lamp posts and at the kerb. While it is kind of an issue today, it won't be tomorrow.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Hopefully it won't be, but charging an electric car is still not a standard thing for apartment buildings to offer tenants. So, for the moment, that's a major reason for renters to not take the plunge.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    My apartment block in London has underground parking with allocated chargers. There are multiple lamp post chargers over here and other types of chargers. So, for the moment it's already fine.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    A 2 year old Polestar 2 with 12,000 miles just cost my buddy slightly less than $25k. You can't even get an Accord with that age and mileage that cheap these days! Hertz dumped a bunch of them on the market recently, they were too much fun to be a profitable rental so they're absurdly cheap right now

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    Sounds good until you have to replace the battery. I want one of the rivian rts but they are still too pricy even used.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    you drive your cars for 300000 miles?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Lots of people BUY their cars with 300k miles.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    well maybe in 3rd world like USA they do

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Plenty of countries out there with lower income levels than the US, including much of Europe tbh.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    yeah, but all of those 400-500 kkm cars get bought up by Kazakhstan and similar country importers.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    I myself recently went from a '19 car with 220k km to a '05 one with 460k km because I realized my car's getting driven so much recently, the depreciation is killing its' value. For context, in 2022 when I acquired the '19 car, it had 140k on it.

    I'll have to do some wheel bearings, brake pads, belts and pulleys, etc, on the old beater, but all that is way cheaper than the depreciation on a newer car.

    To be clear, I don't advocate most people do this, I already knew beforehand what the engine and transmission are capable of. And if need be, I'll even do engine repairs or get the transmission refurbished. The ONLY thing I'm afraid of is bodywork because I can't paint for shit lol

    It's not all Kazakhstan either. I'm in Estonia and half of those "200k km" German cars that get imported here have had their odometer rewinded.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    My 2010 wagon has 180k and I can still take it to the mountains and not worry about finding a broken charge port on the way home.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    How the hell would you break a charge port? If you managed that then no vehicle is safe.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Oh, the charging station. Charging port I think would mean the port it plugs into on your car. Yeah, I guess that could be an issue, but it's not really something that needs to be considered by a consumer. The fact that you're much less likely to have mechanical issues I think more than makes up for the rare case of vandalism, which can happen to any piece of the infrastructure, for gas and electric.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    How is being stranded with no way to charge your EV not a concern for owners?

    And yes, potentially gas stations could be vandalized as well -- except they aren't, and charge stations are.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    It's an extremely unlikely situation, and the same thing can happen with an ICE. An ICE is, in fact, much more likely to experience mechanical failure. For either the solution is the same: you have to get towed.

    Luckily if it's just needing a charge there are other options than a fast charge station. You can go to an RV park and get a faster than a regular outlet charge, or go somewhere with a regular power outlet and ask if you can use it. Either of those could require spending the night, depending on how much you need, but it is very unlikely to be required and they are possible.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah good thing ICE cars don't have anything expensive that breaks after 300,000 miles like an engine or a transmission...

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Regarding battery degradation - I've owned my EV for 4.5 years now, and its battery is still at 93% of its original capacity. That equates to maybe 10 miles of range lost, from an original range of around 230 miles. At that rate, it'll still be giving usable range in 10, 15 years from now. It's even warrantied to keep over 75% of its original capacity for 8 years / 100,000 miles - if it fails to achieve this (likely due to some defect), it's replaced for free.

    And when it does eventually need replacing, it can be recycled into something like a home storage battery - where the power demand is not as high, but still more than enough to power everything in your home for days. Meanwhile, the car can be upgraded to a brand new battery, which will likely last even longer.

    Edit: In fact, I tell a lie - I did have to replace a battery on my EV recently. The 12v lead-acid battery, that ICE cars also rely on.

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