▲ 339 ▼ Biden's Middle East Policy Is Horrific. Trump's Would Be Even Worse (www.commondreams.org) submitted 2 years ago by jeffw@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world 201 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 64 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've said this before... if you hate Biden's policy on Israel and Gaza, Trump will be even worse! Remember when Israel illegally invaded Lebanon to set up "a security zone"? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern_Lebanon Yeah, Trump wants to do that with Mexico. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/donald-trump-mexico-military-cartels-war-on-drugs-1234705804/ permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’m a said this before… You can hate both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sure, you can hate both, but unless you want Trump policies here, you have to vote Biden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 43 points 2 years ago* (4 children) More to the point, in a FPTP + EC, a failure to vote for the candidate you hate least in certain states gives the candidate you hate more a better chance of winning the presidency. While the propagandists would have us believe otherwise, this is not "supporting 'genocide'." It's just math. Do you live in Illinois? Idaho? Vote for whoever you want. Illinois is going to send its electors for Biden, and Idaho is going to send its electors for Trump, and your vote is not going to change that. Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona? Check yourself before you wreck fucking everything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago And even if you live in Idaho, stop telling people on the internet to abstain!!! permalink fedilink source parent [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yup! But not knowing the state someone is posting from, way easier to go "Vote Biden!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 19 points 2 years ago They're probably posting from Russia. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MagicShel@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) Local and state elections also matter. Watching Trump deal with a Dem Congress might even be amusing. But yeah, vote Biden because Trump already fucked up the Supreme Court enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* Not a chance. If Trump wins, it’ll be by Democratic abstentions. With 33 Senate seats on the ballot, if he wins, Republicans will have control of Congress too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Trump will rule by executive order and the supreme court will ok it in that scenario. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Neato@ttrpg.network 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) I wouldn't bet on sure states anymore. We saw in 2016 how inaccurate polls were because Trump supporters just lie and hide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Asafum@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago because Trump supporters just lie and hide. It's amazing how I live in a very red county and yet all over these dating sites all I see are "moderate" or "centrist" or "other" I almost NEVER see someone openly admit they're a "conservative." permalink fedilink source parent [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Illinois hasn't voted R since 1988. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’m a said this before… You can hate both. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sure, you can hate both, but unless you want Trump policies here, you have to vote Biden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 43 points 2 years ago* (4 children) More to the point, in a FPTP + EC, a failure to vote for the candidate you hate least in certain states gives the candidate you hate more a better chance of winning the presidency. While the propagandists would have us believe otherwise, this is not "supporting 'genocide'." It's just math. Do you live in Illinois? Idaho? Vote for whoever you want. Illinois is going to send its electors for Biden, and Idaho is going to send its electors for Trump, and your vote is not going to change that. Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona? Check yourself before you wreck fucking everything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago And even if you live in Idaho, stop telling people on the internet to abstain!!! permalink fedilink source parent [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yup! But not knowing the state someone is posting from, way easier to go "Vote Biden!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 19 points 2 years ago They're probably posting from Russia. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MagicShel@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) Local and state elections also matter. Watching Trump deal with a Dem Congress might even be amusing. But yeah, vote Biden because Trump already fucked up the Supreme Court enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* Not a chance. If Trump wins, it’ll be by Democratic abstentions. With 33 Senate seats on the ballot, if he wins, Republicans will have control of Congress too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Trump will rule by executive order and the supreme court will ok it in that scenario. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Neato@ttrpg.network 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) I wouldn't bet on sure states anymore. We saw in 2016 how inaccurate polls were because Trump supporters just lie and hide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Asafum@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago because Trump supporters just lie and hide. It's amazing how I live in a very red county and yet all over these dating sites all I see are "moderate" or "centrist" or "other" I almost NEVER see someone openly admit they're a "conservative." permalink fedilink source parent [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Illinois hasn't voted R since 1988. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sure, you can hate both, but unless you want Trump policies here, you have to vote Biden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 43 points 2 years ago* (4 children) More to the point, in a FPTP + EC, a failure to vote for the candidate you hate least in certain states gives the candidate you hate more a better chance of winning the presidency. While the propagandists would have us believe otherwise, this is not "supporting 'genocide'." It's just math. Do you live in Illinois? Idaho? Vote for whoever you want. Illinois is going to send its electors for Biden, and Idaho is going to send its electors for Trump, and your vote is not going to change that. Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona? Check yourself before you wreck fucking everything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago And even if you live in Idaho, stop telling people on the internet to abstain!!! permalink fedilink source parent [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yup! But not knowing the state someone is posting from, way easier to go "Vote Biden!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 19 points 2 years ago They're probably posting from Russia. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MagicShel@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) Local and state elections also matter. Watching Trump deal with a Dem Congress might even be amusing. But yeah, vote Biden because Trump already fucked up the Supreme Court enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* Not a chance. If Trump wins, it’ll be by Democratic abstentions. With 33 Senate seats on the ballot, if he wins, Republicans will have control of Congress too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Trump will rule by executive order and the supreme court will ok it in that scenario. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Neato@ttrpg.network 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) I wouldn't bet on sure states anymore. We saw in 2016 how inaccurate polls were because Trump supporters just lie and hide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Asafum@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago because Trump supporters just lie and hide. It's amazing how I live in a very red county and yet all over these dating sites all I see are "moderate" or "centrist" or "other" I almost NEVER see someone openly admit they're a "conservative." permalink fedilink source parent [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Illinois hasn't voted R since 1988. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nougat@fedia.io 43 points 2 years ago* (4 children) More to the point, in a FPTP + EC, a failure to vote for the candidate you hate least in certain states gives the candidate you hate more a better chance of winning the presidency. While the propagandists would have us believe otherwise, this is not "supporting 'genocide'." It's just math. Do you live in Illinois? Idaho? Vote for whoever you want. Illinois is going to send its electors for Biden, and Idaho is going to send its electors for Trump, and your vote is not going to change that. Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona? Check yourself before you wreck fucking everything. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago And even if you live in Idaho, stop telling people on the internet to abstain!!! permalink fedilink source parent [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yup! But not knowing the state someone is posting from, way easier to go "Vote Biden!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 19 points 2 years ago They're probably posting from Russia. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MagicShel@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) Local and state elections also matter. Watching Trump deal with a Dem Congress might even be amusing. But yeah, vote Biden because Trump already fucked up the Supreme Court enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* Not a chance. If Trump wins, it’ll be by Democratic abstentions. With 33 Senate seats on the ballot, if he wins, Republicans will have control of Congress too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Trump will rule by executive order and the supreme court will ok it in that scenario. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Neato@ttrpg.network 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) I wouldn't bet on sure states anymore. We saw in 2016 how inaccurate polls were because Trump supporters just lie and hide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Asafum@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago because Trump supporters just lie and hide. It's amazing how I live in a very red county and yet all over these dating sites all I see are "moderate" or "centrist" or "other" I almost NEVER see someone openly admit they're a "conservative." permalink fedilink source parent [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Illinois hasn't voted R since 1988. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago And even if you live in Idaho, stop telling people on the internet to abstain!!! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yup! But not knowing the state someone is posting from, way easier to go "Vote Biden!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nougat@fedia.io 19 points 2 years ago They're probably posting from Russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nougat@fedia.io 19 points 2 years ago They're probably posting from Russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago (2 children) Local and state elections also matter. Watching Trump deal with a Dem Congress might even be amusing. But yeah, vote Biden because Trump already fucked up the Supreme Court enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* Not a chance. If Trump wins, it’ll be by Democratic abstentions. With 33 Senate seats on the ballot, if he wins, Republicans will have control of Congress too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Trump will rule by executive order and the supreme court will ok it in that scenario. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* Not a chance. If Trump wins, it’ll be by Democratic abstentions. With 33 Senate seats on the ballot, if he wins, Republicans will have control of Congress too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Trump will rule by executive order and the supreme court will ok it in that scenario. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) I wouldn't bet on sure states anymore. We saw in 2016 how inaccurate polls were because Trump supporters just lie and hide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Asafum@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago because Trump supporters just lie and hide. It's amazing how I live in a very red county and yet all over these dating sites all I see are "moderate" or "centrist" or "other" I almost NEVER see someone openly admit they're a "conservative." permalink fedilink source parent [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Illinois hasn't voted R since 1988. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago because Trump supporters just lie and hide. It's amazing how I live in a very red county and yet all over these dating sites all I see are "moderate" or "centrist" or "other" I almost NEVER see someone openly admit they're a "conservative." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Illinois hasn't voted R since 1988. permalink fedilink source parent