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A PR disaster: Microsoft has lost trust with its users, and Windows Recall is the straw that broke the camel's back (www.windowscentral.com)

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It's a nightmare scenario for Microsoft. The headlining feature of its new Copilot+ PC initiative, which is supposed to drive millions of PC sales over the next couple of years, is under significant fire for being what many say is a major breach of privacy and security on Windows. That feature in question is Windows Recall, a new AI tool designed to remember everything you do on Windows. The feature that we never asked and never wanted it.

Microsoft, has done a lot to degrade the Windows user experience over the last few years. Everything from obtrusive advertisements to full-screen popups, ignoring app defaults, forcing a Microsoft Account, and more have eroded the trust relationship between Windows users and Microsoft.

It's no surprise that users are already assuming that Microsoft will eventually end up collecting that data and using it to shape advertisements for you. That really would be a huge invasion of privacy, and people fully expect Microsoft to do it, and it's those bad Windows practices that have led people to this conclusion.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I’m telling everyone I know it’s time to move to Linux, or worst case Mac.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I have down-voted this because in a worst case scenario, they should move to a less appealing version of Linux, like Arch

(waiting for my down-votes)

[+] [email protected] -11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Mac is not better in any circumstance. Except maybe power efficiency but I doubt that's going to last for long.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

MacOS is a highly mature, stable, and user-friendly OS that, at least for now, Apple does not meddle with in the same ways that MS has been doing with Windows. It has its problems, yes, but to say "any circumstance" is extreme. I don't like or agree with everything that Apple has done to MacOS but at least Apple isn't actively trashing it into the ground with forced bloat, ads, malware, etc like MS is doing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They are definitely are starting to trash it with ads for their own services, user hostile behavior/dark patterns (try turning off Bluetooth and applying a software update, it will be magically back on), and have ruined the UI slowly turning it in to iOS.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I have used a Mac since 2007 (almost exclusively for work) and many of Apple's services during that time. I have not experienced any ads as you describe. As for Bluetooth magically turning back on after a software update, of course I do not know for certain, but that screams incompetence more than it screams intent. Apple most definitely has problems (where they build their hardware, policies they tried to enact and then backtracked, etc). And I'm not advocating for them like I am for Linux and other open source solutions. But if a normal user doesn't want to deal with some of the lingering complexities that Linux still has (which is a dwindling number), then a Mac is a relatively viable alternative and it does not come anywhere near as close to the privacy nightmare that Microsoft has become.

I am not tribal at all with respect to any of these entities. I have used all three OSes for the better part of 25 years. I have watched the ebbs and flows of Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, Canonical, Red Hat, and various FOSS solutions such as Linux, for a very long time. And I have had a front row seat seeing Apple's mistakes, Microsoft's mistakes, Canonical's mistakes, and so forth. And I feel I can judge with some semblance of realism and objectivity -- Microsoft has failed so hard with Recall and they are so out of touch with what users want, they deserve every bit of ire they are getting, and they deserve to have their market share diminish because of it. Aside from perhaps Google, and now Adobe, I haven't seen a technology company be so blatantly and willfully aggressive (and one could say, stupid) when it comes to these actions and topics.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The Bluetooth issue also happens on iOS, so I think it is an explicit choice, as Apple wants as many devices contributing to their Find My Network. It’s also the reason they changed control center on iOS to no longer turn off Wifi and Bluetooth, but to disconnect the current connections.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I've not run into this, but I also use Bluetooth on both devices (my work Mac and my personal phone) so it's usually enabled. I also rely on Find My capabilities, so I suppose I'm their target audience. However, if they are purposefully re-enabling even after a user explicitly disables, then I agree completely that that is anti-user/anti-consumer/anti-privacy and they should be brought to task for it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Lmao nice

You might want to add the /s tho, some people might not get it.

[+] [email protected] -20 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I'm telling everyone I know

Vegan, European, CrossFit, Linux, born again

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Seeing “European” is all you need to know this is rage bait

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

How many times do people need to get fucked over by privatized black box software before they realize that FOSS has a point?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

Just like people who are beholden to their politics or their religion, they’ll get fucked over as often as possible until they’re dead. The majority of people are tribal and sadly they see Microsoft, Google, Apple, etc as some kind of extension of their tribal identity.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Helping people to prevent their privacy from being completely screwed isn’t the same as feeling superior and smug about one’s choices, lifestyle, or where one lives. The sooner people understand the difference, the better.

But sure.

I also use Arch, btw…got any “witty” response to it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I don't know what this post means... but I want to learn.

Are you Vegan and moved to Europe and now do CrossFit?

That actually sounds like fun.

Especially the linux part.

Did you flee from a country that was awful and move to somewhere in Europe?