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Those are not immutable, especially on the file system. I'm glad the fedora team switched the term to "atomic", because "immutable" set all the wrong expectations.
So you're saying that most directories in
/usrand (also) some other directories in/are not read-only during runtime (under regular system maintenance/management) on Fedora Atomic?No, that's not what I wrote.
Thank you for clarifying what you didn't write nor mean. Could you be so kind to explain what you did mean with what's quoted below?
Sure. Not all directories are protected and the ones that are, are just protected from immediate write access. A malicious app or a user who copies the wrong snippets can create overlays and apply them immediately without a reboot. Having atomic distros is awesome but it has nothing to do with immutability and it someone needed that for example for PCs that are in random control at least some of the time, then they need a different solution on top, that gives actual immutability.
So, you referred to immutable in the absolute sense? If not, would you be so kind to mention distros/systems that you actually refer to as immutable?
I never needed it. I know from my school days that windows supports that use case. You get a full system and can do with it as you please but on reboot you get a completely fresh file system. The only thing that persisted were the user profiles that roamed through active directory. Seemingly there was no way of tampering with the file system, that would persist a reboot. And as school kids we tried hard 😅
I would be surprised if Linux didn't have utilities for that, that were better designed and safer - but again, not my expertise.
I'm so confused now as I'm trying to understand why you answered that way 😅.
But, if I understood you correctly, you didn't refer to Silverblue and Kinoite as immutable, because it is possible to apply changes to them and these changes will even stick through reboots etc. Hence, you don't deny that some parts are (in fact) deniable, but find that Atomic simply better describes what these distros actually do. And thus are better suited to set up the right expectations.
But, allow me to ask the following question then; do you think NixOS is immutable?
Sorry for the confusion 😅 I don't have any experience with NixOS apart from memes here in Lemmy. So... maybe?
Yes, I love atomic distros and I'm glad the term was changed.
😂. No worries fam.