▲ 47 ▼ Is there a concept of 'imperialist realism'? As in, similar to capitalist realism concept except the default state is imperialism (hexbear.net) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net to c/askchapo@hexbear.net 29 comments fedilink hide all child comments I feel like this has been a concept for a long time within imperialist studies, but I can't find it. Surely it's a thing. What would you call it? EDIT: thanks for all the brilliant responses
[+] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Frank@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (2 children) That is an excellent point. "Dark Forest Theory" being imperialists unable to imagine anything but imperialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago Good read. It is easier to imagine the end of the world (space aliens blow us up with the negative space wedgie gun) than it is to imagine the end of capitalism permalink fedilink source parent [–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think they can imagine non-imperial societies; the argument is more that non-imperial societies will be destroyed by imperial ones, so you either compete as an imperial state or become part of someone else's empire. Same applies to the dark forest theory. This is different from capitalist realism, which: Views AES states as simply another kind of capitalism ("state capitalism") Views pre-capitalist economies as, you guessed it, pretty much capitalism (often the markets = capitalism oversimplification, as well as ignoring the communal aspects of societies) Predominantly assumes capitalism as an economic system in fiction permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're right, they'd just flatten any state that effectively resists imperialism into another kind of empire, like they'll call the Soviet Union an empire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Frank@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (2 children) That is an excellent point. "Dark Forest Theory" being imperialists unable to imagine anything but imperialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago Good read. It is easier to imagine the end of the world (space aliens blow us up with the negative space wedgie gun) than it is to imagine the end of capitalism permalink fedilink source parent [–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think they can imagine non-imperial societies; the argument is more that non-imperial societies will be destroyed by imperial ones, so you either compete as an imperial state or become part of someone else's empire. Same applies to the dark forest theory. This is different from capitalist realism, which: Views AES states as simply another kind of capitalism ("state capitalism") Views pre-capitalist economies as, you guessed it, pretty much capitalism (often the markets = capitalism oversimplification, as well as ignoring the communal aspects of societies) Predominantly assumes capitalism as an economic system in fiction permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're right, they'd just flatten any state that effectively resists imperialism into another kind of empire, like they'll call the Soviet Union an empire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago Good read. It is easier to imagine the end of the world (space aliens blow us up with the negative space wedgie gun) than it is to imagine the end of capitalism permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago Good read. It is easier to imagine the end of the world (space aliens blow us up with the negative space wedgie gun) than it is to imagine the end of capitalism permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think they can imagine non-imperial societies; the argument is more that non-imperial societies will be destroyed by imperial ones, so you either compete as an imperial state or become part of someone else's empire. Same applies to the dark forest theory. This is different from capitalist realism, which: Views AES states as simply another kind of capitalism ("state capitalism") Views pre-capitalist economies as, you guessed it, pretty much capitalism (often the markets = capitalism oversimplification, as well as ignoring the communal aspects of societies) Predominantly assumes capitalism as an economic system in fiction permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're right, they'd just flatten any state that effectively resists imperialism into another kind of empire, like they'll call the Soviet Union an empire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're right, they'd just flatten any state that effectively resists imperialism into another kind of empire, like they'll call the Soviet Union an empire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're right, they'd just flatten any state that effectively resists imperialism into another kind of empire, like they'll call the Soviet Union an empire. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent