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I will never use a Windows laptop because it wakes up in the middle of the night to apply some stupid update, then glitches out, and can't go back to sleep. So every morning I find a laptop with a dead battery. Sometimes if I wake up early, it'll still be hot from whatever it was doing.
Fixing that stupid bug should have been easier than porting the whole OS and app stack and emulator to a new CPU arch. And I have no faith they fixed the bug anyway, so it'll probably still happen to ARM models. So no thank you.
It's actually astounding, how weirdly unmaintained Windows is in many areas. Just look at the settings chaos. There are three completely different settings trees, and at least for me, it's impossible to know which one to choose for a given task.
There's constantly stuff going on in the background for no reason and updates take forever and require 7 reboots. That's not okay.
ShutUp10 helps a bit. It puts a ton of settings in one place for you.
For those who unfortunately have to use Windows laptops for work, there is a workaround. Unplug the laptop before putting it to sleep/hibernate. That's it. Super irritating they won't fix it, but not surprising, too busy trying to shove (more) ads into the start menu.
There was a video on LTT about this. From what I remember the conclusion was that if you shut down the laptop while connected to power, it remembers the fact and wakes up in the middle of the night to apply updates and shut down again, assuming the power cable will remain connected so there wouldn't be an impact on the battery. But of course, most people (I think) disconnect the power cable once the laptop is shut down. Windows still wakes up, sees the power cable disconnected, and goes 'oh well' and proceeds to update anyway.
It’s also that “Shutdown” doesn’t shut the computer down. It puts it into a sleep mode so it will “boot” faster next time
The hibernation mode has more wake up sources than if it was actually off
Is that actually a windows thing though? I know i can set up that shit in the mobo's bios, from turning on the computer at specific times to keeping the peripherals on when shutdown.
It depends on the wake up source you’re talking about, but, yes
Your BIOS can configure the hardware, then Windows gets to modify parts of the configuration through ACPI
For me, it was wake on LAN that Windows just kept sucking at. Leave the computer, it goes to sleep. Wake up the next morning, head into my office, computer is wide fucking awake and the whole room is warm...
SSDs boot fast enough that I just hard shut down windows at night whenever I have to boot into it -- usually for games, since all my non-vr games run on Linux but I have a Quest 2, and Linux support for those is Incredibly sketchy.
It can't wake from sleep/hibernation if it's fully powered off and there's no windows code running to wake it.
Yep, I find booting from off is as fast (and maybe faster) than coming out of hibernation these days. It's definitely more fluid.
My SMB IT friends disable hibernation when they deploy laptops. Users don't reboot enough as it is, hibernation can be problematic, and wastes hard drive space (at least 16 gig, because they don't spec any less)
I haven’t had the same experience.
For anyone wondering what the issues with sleep in windows are, the problem is that instead of using traditional S3 sleep (suspend to RAM) Microsoft has been pushing hard for "Modern Standby" where insted of only the RAM being powered the whole system is powered on and kept in a low power mode.
In theory this can provide a shorted wake time (because apparently the approx 5 seconds provided by S3 sleep isn't good enough). The problem is that Windows will sometimes wake up to do maintenance and drain your battery.
You might be able to fix it by disabling Modern Standby (also called S0ix, Connected Standby and S2Idle)in your BIOS. Unfortunetly a lot of modern BIOSes no longer offer the option to disable it and even sometimes lack support for traditional S3 sleep.
I have felt this pain. You can fix it by putting it into hibernation instead of sleep. Still only one of many annoyances from Windows.
Disable auto updates.
Damn auto updates being on by default is a terrible design choice.