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Rant: Star Trek writers really need to be more careful about what living scientists they choose to reference. (www.thestand.org)

submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Meant to post this in main star trek community, not ten forward, d'oh.

If this is the wrong place for this, I apologize in advance and it's okay if it gets removed.

First, it was bad enough for Elon Musk references, but now...

The real life Paul Stamets, for which the character is named, hired union busters at his business, Fungi Perfecti.

https://www.thestand.org/2024/05/fungi-perfecti-workers-joining-together-with-liuna-252/

But rather than recognizing and respecting these workers’ right to join together free from management interference, the union reports that Fungi Perfecti has responded by hiring the union-busting firms of Littler Mendelson P.C. and the American Labor Group. These firms represent clients such as Amazon, Apple, Google, and Starbucks, all of which have faced multiple Unfair Labor Practice (ULP) charges with the National Labor Relations Board for illegally interfering in their employees’ freedom to unionize.

These firms have attempted to slow the momentum of Fungi Perfecti workers’ organizing drive with typical union-busting tactics like “unrequired” meetings that are heavily encouraged.

“ALG has been distributing anti-union propaganda that, in some cases, are outright lies,” said Derek Sewell, a warehouse worker for Fungi Perfecti. “But we will not be discouraged. It’s just unfortunate that they are spending thousands of dollars on union-busting to try to discourage us rather than investing in making Fungi Perfecti and better and more sustainable place to work.”

Anyway, my opinion is firmly that if they're going to make references, it needs to be about people who are already dead, whose negatives are known, and who can't come back and fuck your reference up by becoming a horrible person as your life goes on.

Because these living people keep revealing how Un-Star-Trek they are, imho.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Having to research the entire biography of a historical figure before putting them in a TV show is a bit much. And if you're only going to accept angelic historical figures with no known wrongdoing, the pickings will be slim. Mister Rogers can only be depicted in so many shows before we run out of ideas...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

That was kind of my point, but also I would say that A) Emma Eckstein isn't some secret, it's just not talked about much and B) that's a hell of a lot worse than what the real Paul Stamets is involved with. The only real difference is that Paul Stamets hasn't been dead long enough for a writer in the 1990s to not realize what a colossal piece of shit he actually was.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That's the whole point, isn't it? We shouldn't cherry-pick living figures as something that future people should universally loathe, because there are many, many examples of historical figures whose loathsomeness they (and we) also gloss over.