▲ 888 ▼ Teen pizza delivery driver shot at multiple times after parking in the wrong driveway (www.nbcnews.com) submitted 2 years ago* by Wilshire@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 377 comments fedilink hide all child comments Interview with the victim. https://www.newschannel5.com/news/it-is-attempted-murder-in-my-opinion-young-pizza-delivery-driver-shot-at-7-times-after-driveway-mix-up
[–] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 78 points 2 years ago (3 children) $50k bond for almost killing the delivery driver. Bullet hole upper part of the driver door for assuming that the truck was being stolen. Either he hates dominos or his wife cheated on him with a delivery driver. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] KnitWit@lemmy.world 101 points 2 years ago (2 children) Dude fired seven times, and three hit the car. What a menace, should have been charged with attempted murder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] loie@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (3 children) And unless he lives in the middle of nowhere... then yeah where did the other four end up? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 years ago Outside the environment. /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Doesn't matter, shot gun. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Bora-bora. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 years ago The worst part about that fact is that that's better accuracy than the average for cops. For the US army, it's about 50% accuracy under duress, and cops are about 30%. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wilshire@lemmy.world [S] 75 points 2 years ago* (4 children) I don't understand why he wasn't charged with attempted murder. This is a bullshit defense. Babcock said he went outside and "began shooting at the truck" to "disable" it... Yes, killing the driver would do that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 54 points 2 years ago I don’t understand why he wasn’t charged with attempted murder. Because... Tennessee permalink fedilink source parent [–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) He should be stripped of his weapons for his lack of discipline. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Not a requirement to own or use a gun, at the insistence of "responsible gun owners" who demand that responsibility remains 100% optional. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hperrin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) weapons freedom permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not freedom from consequences. He nearly killed someone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hperrin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I’m saying he should be stripped of his freedom, not just his weapons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FilterItOut 3 points 2 years ago I'm not sure about the exact laws where the incident occurred, but in several other states that I know the law of, aggravated assault carries the exact same penalties as attempted murder. Because of the wording of the two laws, aggravated assault is much easier to prove. If you're a prosecutor, why would you not go with the easier to prove, exact same penalty crime? permalink fedilink source parent [+] MxM111@kbin.social -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) I am not a lawyer, but I suspect you would need to prove the intent to kill to call it murder, and given plausible explanation it is nearly impossible, due to presumption of innocence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MxM111@kbin.social -3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes, shooting was intentional, but intent plausibly was not to kill. Thus, not a murder. Anyway, that's the only theory I have of why they did not charge him with attempted murder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MxM111@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago You are absolutely right, it would be manslaughter, not murder. Murder requires intent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago I have to be honest, I was surprised the delivery driver wasn't black. This idiot was just ready to kill someone, anyone. He's probably been looking out his front window, gun in hand, at every little noise for months or years. And even if the kid was trying to steal an empty car, this guy would still go to prison if he killed him because no one's life or health was in danger. Stealing a car is not a capital offense. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KnitWit@lemmy.world 101 points 2 years ago (2 children) Dude fired seven times, and three hit the car. What a menace, should have been charged with attempted murder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] loie@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (3 children) And unless he lives in the middle of nowhere... then yeah where did the other four end up? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 years ago Outside the environment. /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Doesn't matter, shot gun. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Bora-bora. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 years ago The worst part about that fact is that that's better accuracy than the average for cops. For the US army, it's about 50% accuracy under duress, and cops are about 30%. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] loie@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (3 children) And unless he lives in the middle of nowhere... then yeah where did the other four end up? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 years ago Outside the environment. /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Doesn't matter, shot gun. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Bora-bora. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 years ago Outside the environment. /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Doesn't matter, shot gun. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 years ago The worst part about that fact is that that's better accuracy than the average for cops. For the US army, it's about 50% accuracy under duress, and cops are about 30%. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wilshire@lemmy.world [S] 75 points 2 years ago* (4 children) I don't understand why he wasn't charged with attempted murder. This is a bullshit defense. Babcock said he went outside and "began shooting at the truck" to "disable" it... Yes, killing the driver would do that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 54 points 2 years ago I don’t understand why he wasn’t charged with attempted murder. Because... Tennessee permalink fedilink source parent [–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) He should be stripped of his weapons for his lack of discipline. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Not a requirement to own or use a gun, at the insistence of "responsible gun owners" who demand that responsibility remains 100% optional. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hperrin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) weapons freedom permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not freedom from consequences. He nearly killed someone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hperrin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I’m saying he should be stripped of his freedom, not just his weapons. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FilterItOut 3 points 2 years ago I'm not sure about the exact laws where the incident occurred, but in several other states that I know the law of, aggravated assault carries the exact same penalties as attempted murder. Because of the wording of the two laws, aggravated assault is much easier to prove. If you're a prosecutor, why would you not go with the easier to prove, exact same penalty crime? permalink fedilink source parent [+] MxM111@kbin.social -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) I am not a lawyer, but I suspect you would need to prove the intent to kill to call it murder, and given plausible explanation it is nearly impossible, due to presumption of innocence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MxM111@kbin.social -3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes, shooting was intentional, but intent plausibly was not to kill. Thus, not a murder. Anyway, that's the only theory I have of why they did not charge him with attempted murder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MxM111@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago You are absolutely right, it would be manslaughter, not murder. Murder requires intent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 54 points 2 years ago I don’t understand why he wasn’t charged with attempted murder. Because... Tennessee permalink fedilink source parent
[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) He should be stripped of his weapons for his lack of discipline. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Not a requirement to own or use a gun, at the insistence of "responsible gun owners" who demand that responsibility remains 100% optional. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hperrin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) weapons freedom permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not freedom from consequences. He nearly killed someone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hperrin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I’m saying he should be stripped of his freedom, not just his weapons. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Not a requirement to own or use a gun, at the insistence of "responsible gun owners" who demand that responsibility remains 100% optional. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) weapons freedom permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not freedom from consequences. He nearly killed someone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hperrin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I’m saying he should be stripped of his freedom, not just his weapons. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not freedom from consequences. He nearly killed someone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hperrin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I’m saying he should be stripped of his freedom, not just his weapons. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I’m saying he should be stripped of his freedom, not just his weapons. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FilterItOut 3 points 2 years ago I'm not sure about the exact laws where the incident occurred, but in several other states that I know the law of, aggravated assault carries the exact same penalties as attempted murder. Because of the wording of the two laws, aggravated assault is much easier to prove. If you're a prosecutor, why would you not go with the easier to prove, exact same penalty crime? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] MxM111@kbin.social -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) I am not a lawyer, but I suspect you would need to prove the intent to kill to call it murder, and given plausible explanation it is nearly impossible, due to presumption of innocence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MxM111@kbin.social -3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes, shooting was intentional, but intent plausibly was not to kill. Thus, not a murder. Anyway, that's the only theory I have of why they did not charge him with attempted murder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MxM111@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago You are absolutely right, it would be manslaughter, not murder. Murder requires intent. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MxM111@kbin.social -3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes, shooting was intentional, but intent plausibly was not to kill. Thus, not a murder. Anyway, that's the only theory I have of why they did not charge him with attempted murder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MxM111@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago You are absolutely right, it would be manslaughter, not murder. Murder requires intent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MxM111@kbin.social -3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes, shooting was intentional, but intent plausibly was not to kill. Thus, not a murder. Anyway, that's the only theory I have of why they did not charge him with attempted murder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MxM111@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago You are absolutely right, it would be manslaughter, not murder. Murder requires intent. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MxM111@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago You are absolutely right, it would be manslaughter, not murder. Murder requires intent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MxM111@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago You are absolutely right, it would be manslaughter, not murder. Murder requires intent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago I have to be honest, I was surprised the delivery driver wasn't black. This idiot was just ready to kill someone, anyone. He's probably been looking out his front window, gun in hand, at every little noise for months or years. And even if the kid was trying to steal an empty car, this guy would still go to prison if he killed him because no one's life or health was in danger. Stealing a car is not a capital offense. permalink fedilink source parent