Even from people that never lived in a communist state

edit: im 17 and i hate communism

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[+] 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)
  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Communists believe that socialism is a transitional state from capitalism to communism, but 1) communists aren’t the only socialists and 2) a lot of Americans think milquetoast social safety net capitalist reformers like Bernie Sanders are socialists despite them never calling for the abolition of private ownership of the means of production.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    I'm saying it because places like Lemmygrad and Hexbear are outright Communist and they will take it as an insult if you call them socialist.

    I'm not talking about the shades of different economic preferences, I'm talking about the extreme cases. In the extreme cases, there are multiple outright Communist communities on Lemmy.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I don't get why you're being downvoted. There's a great comment by Cowbee (I think) that explains why this is a thing.

    There are people who are explicitly self-proclaimed Communists on Lemmy.

    This isn't some "Healthcare is communism!!!1" thing.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's probably the idea that Communists take offense to being called Socialist. The opposite is true, as Communism is a maximally Socialist position.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If you are going by theory, sure. But if the word socialism gets used in conversation today, it will probably get interpreted as something like the Nordic model.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think it is because some people think that socialism is a kind of communism, when that take wouldn't be accepted by a lot of communists here.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Communism is Socialist, there aren't any Communists that would take offense to being called Socialist. There are Socialists that take offense to being called Communist, because for them, Socialism is the goal itself.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    There are Socialists that take offense to being called Communist, because for them, Socialism is the goal itself

    Very rare. Those who do dislike being called communists probably aren't very serious about socialism at all, and probably only want the "social capitalism" of Scandanavian countries.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yep. And on the flip side, if I call a communist a socialist, it may be true technically, but I'm connotating that they want social capitalism instead of full communism.

    And while theory written 100 years ago may have those terms be near equivalent, the meanings of those words have drifted a little since then.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    It gets touted as a transition state between Capitalism and Communism, by Communists who want to get away from Capitalism, and Capitalists who fear anything that isn't Capitalist.

    But it is a genuine economic philosophy on its own that blends the best parts of Communism and Capitalism in one. At least to my opinion.

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