▲ 55 ▼ Why there is so much communist propaganda on lemmy? (feddit.uk) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Vitaly@feddit.uk to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world 342 comments fedilink hide all child comments Even from people that never lived in a communist state edit: im 17 and i hate communism
[+] Ruby 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] diplodocus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Communists believe that socialism is a transitional state from capitalism to communism, but 1) communists aren’t the only socialists and 2) a lot of Americans think milquetoast social safety net capitalist reformers like Bernie Sanders are socialists despite them never calling for the abolition of private ownership of the means of production. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HobbitFoot 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) I'm saying it because places like Lemmygrad and Hexbear are outright Communist and they will take it as an insult if you call them socialist. I'm not talking about the shades of different economic preferences, I'm talking about the extreme cases. In the extreme cases, there are multiple outright Communist communities on Lemmy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Pollux@leminal.space 8 points 2 years ago they will take it as an insult if you call them socialist What a dumb thing to say. Browse those instances and talk to communists/socialists there before you make weird claims about them. Or at least learn about socialism in general first. Principles of Communism Chris Harman - How Marxism Works permalink fedilink source parent [–] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago they will take it as an insult if you call them socialist. Do you have any evidence to support this testimony? permalink fedilink source parent [–] otp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) I don't get why you're being downvoted. There's a great comment by Cowbee (I think) that explains why this is a thing. There are people who are explicitly self-proclaimed Communists on Lemmy. This isn't some "Healthcare is communism!!!1" thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's probably the idea that Communists take offense to being called Socialist. The opposite is true, as Communism is a maximally Socialist position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HobbitFoot -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you are going by theory, sure. But if the word socialism gets used in conversation today, it will probably get interpreted as something like the Nordic model. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] diplodocus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's what happens when the communists are purged and billions of propaganda dollars are spent over generations to erase their memory: you end up with Newspeak, where people don’t know their asses from their elbows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare permalink fedilink source parent [+] lud@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] HobbitFoot -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think it is because some people think that socialism is a kind of communism, when that take wouldn't be accepted by a lot of communists here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Communism is Socialist, there aren't any Communists that would take offense to being called Socialist. There are Socialists that take offense to being called Communist, because for them, Socialism is the goal itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pollux@leminal.space 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are Socialists that take offense to being called Communist, because for them, Socialism is the goal itself Very rare. Those who do dislike being called communists probably aren't very serious about socialism at all, and probably only want the "social capitalism" of Scandanavian countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HobbitFoot -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yep. And on the flip side, if I call a communist a socialist, it may be true technically, but I'm connotating that they want social capitalism instead of full communism. And while theory written 100 years ago may have those terms be near equivalent, the meanings of those words have drifted a little since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Socialism doesn't refer to Social Democracy, but Socialism, ie Worker Ownership of the Means of Production. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It gets touted as a transition state between Capitalism and Communism, by Communists who want to get away from Capitalism, and Capitalists who fear anything that isn't Capitalist. But it is a genuine economic philosophy on its own that blends the best parts of Communism and Capitalism in one. At least to my opinion. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] diplodocus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Communists believe that socialism is a transitional state from capitalism to communism, but 1) communists aren’t the only socialists and 2) a lot of Americans think milquetoast social safety net capitalist reformers like Bernie Sanders are socialists despite them never calling for the abolition of private ownership of the means of production. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HobbitFoot 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) I'm saying it because places like Lemmygrad and Hexbear are outright Communist and they will take it as an insult if you call them socialist. I'm not talking about the shades of different economic preferences, I'm talking about the extreme cases. In the extreme cases, there are multiple outright Communist communities on Lemmy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Pollux@leminal.space 8 points 2 years ago they will take it as an insult if you call them socialist What a dumb thing to say. Browse those instances and talk to communists/socialists there before you make weird claims about them. Or at least learn about socialism in general first. Principles of Communism Chris Harman - How Marxism Works permalink fedilink source parent [–] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago they will take it as an insult if you call them socialist. Do you have any evidence to support this testimony? permalink fedilink source parent [–] otp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) I don't get why you're being downvoted. There's a great comment by Cowbee (I think) that explains why this is a thing. There are people who are explicitly self-proclaimed Communists on Lemmy. This isn't some "Healthcare is communism!!!1" thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's probably the idea that Communists take offense to being called Socialist. The opposite is true, as Communism is a maximally Socialist position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HobbitFoot -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you are going by theory, sure. But if the word socialism gets used in conversation today, it will probably get interpreted as something like the Nordic model. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] diplodocus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's what happens when the communists are purged and billions of propaganda dollars are spent over generations to erase their memory: you end up with Newspeak, where people don’t know their asses from their elbows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare permalink fedilink source parent [+] lud@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] HobbitFoot -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think it is because some people think that socialism is a kind of communism, when that take wouldn't be accepted by a lot of communists here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Communism is Socialist, there aren't any Communists that would take offense to being called Socialist. There are Socialists that take offense to being called Communist, because for them, Socialism is the goal itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pollux@leminal.space 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are Socialists that take offense to being called Communist, because for them, Socialism is the goal itself Very rare. Those who do dislike being called communists probably aren't very serious about socialism at all, and probably only want the "social capitalism" of Scandanavian countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HobbitFoot -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yep. And on the flip side, if I call a communist a socialist, it may be true technically, but I'm connotating that they want social capitalism instead of full communism. And while theory written 100 years ago may have those terms be near equivalent, the meanings of those words have drifted a little since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Socialism doesn't refer to Social Democracy, but Socialism, ie Worker Ownership of the Means of Production. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pollux@leminal.space 8 points 2 years ago they will take it as an insult if you call them socialist What a dumb thing to say. Browse those instances and talk to communists/socialists there before you make weird claims about them. Or at least learn about socialism in general first. Principles of Communism Chris Harman - How Marxism Works permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago they will take it as an insult if you call them socialist. Do you have any evidence to support this testimony? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) I don't get why you're being downvoted. There's a great comment by Cowbee (I think) that explains why this is a thing. There are people who are explicitly self-proclaimed Communists on Lemmy. This isn't some "Healthcare is communism!!!1" thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's probably the idea that Communists take offense to being called Socialist. The opposite is true, as Communism is a maximally Socialist position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HobbitFoot -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you are going by theory, sure. But if the word socialism gets used in conversation today, it will probably get interpreted as something like the Nordic model. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] diplodocus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's what happens when the communists are purged and billions of propaganda dollars are spent over generations to erase their memory: you end up with Newspeak, where people don’t know their asses from their elbows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare permalink fedilink source parent [+] lud@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] HobbitFoot -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think it is because some people think that socialism is a kind of communism, when that take wouldn't be accepted by a lot of communists here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Communism is Socialist, there aren't any Communists that would take offense to being called Socialist. There are Socialists that take offense to being called Communist, because for them, Socialism is the goal itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pollux@leminal.space 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are Socialists that take offense to being called Communist, because for them, Socialism is the goal itself Very rare. Those who do dislike being called communists probably aren't very serious about socialism at all, and probably only want the "social capitalism" of Scandanavian countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HobbitFoot -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yep. And on the flip side, if I call a communist a socialist, it may be true technically, but I'm connotating that they want social capitalism instead of full communism. And while theory written 100 years ago may have those terms be near equivalent, the meanings of those words have drifted a little since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Socialism doesn't refer to Social Democracy, but Socialism, ie Worker Ownership of the Means of Production. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's probably the idea that Communists take offense to being called Socialist. The opposite is true, as Communism is a maximally Socialist position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HobbitFoot -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you are going by theory, sure. But if the word socialism gets used in conversation today, it will probably get interpreted as something like the Nordic model. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] diplodocus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's what happens when the communists are purged and billions of propaganda dollars are spent over generations to erase their memory: you end up with Newspeak, where people don’t know their asses from their elbows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HobbitFoot -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you are going by theory, sure. But if the word socialism gets used in conversation today, it will probably get interpreted as something like the Nordic model. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] diplodocus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's what happens when the communists are purged and billions of propaganda dollars are spent over generations to erase their memory: you end up with Newspeak, where people don’t know their asses from their elbows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare permalink fedilink source parent
[–] diplodocus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's what happens when the communists are purged and billions of propaganda dollars are spent over generations to erase their memory: you end up with Newspeak, where people don’t know their asses from their elbows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare permalink fedilink source parent
[+] lud@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HobbitFoot -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think it is because some people think that socialism is a kind of communism, when that take wouldn't be accepted by a lot of communists here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Communism is Socialist, there aren't any Communists that would take offense to being called Socialist. There are Socialists that take offense to being called Communist, because for them, Socialism is the goal itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pollux@leminal.space 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are Socialists that take offense to being called Communist, because for them, Socialism is the goal itself Very rare. Those who do dislike being called communists probably aren't very serious about socialism at all, and probably only want the "social capitalism" of Scandanavian countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HobbitFoot -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yep. And on the flip side, if I call a communist a socialist, it may be true technically, but I'm connotating that they want social capitalism instead of full communism. And while theory written 100 years ago may have those terms be near equivalent, the meanings of those words have drifted a little since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Socialism doesn't refer to Social Democracy, but Socialism, ie Worker Ownership of the Means of Production. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Communism is Socialist, there aren't any Communists that would take offense to being called Socialist. There are Socialists that take offense to being called Communist, because for them, Socialism is the goal itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pollux@leminal.space 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are Socialists that take offense to being called Communist, because for them, Socialism is the goal itself Very rare. Those who do dislike being called communists probably aren't very serious about socialism at all, and probably only want the "social capitalism" of Scandanavian countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HobbitFoot -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yep. And on the flip side, if I call a communist a socialist, it may be true technically, but I'm connotating that they want social capitalism instead of full communism. And while theory written 100 years ago may have those terms be near equivalent, the meanings of those words have drifted a little since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Socialism doesn't refer to Social Democracy, but Socialism, ie Worker Ownership of the Means of Production. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pollux@leminal.space 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are Socialists that take offense to being called Communist, because for them, Socialism is the goal itself Very rare. Those who do dislike being called communists probably aren't very serious about socialism at all, and probably only want the "social capitalism" of Scandanavian countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HobbitFoot -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yep. And on the flip side, if I call a communist a socialist, it may be true technically, but I'm connotating that they want social capitalism instead of full communism. And while theory written 100 years ago may have those terms be near equivalent, the meanings of those words have drifted a little since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Socialism doesn't refer to Social Democracy, but Socialism, ie Worker Ownership of the Means of Production. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HobbitFoot -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yep. And on the flip side, if I call a communist a socialist, it may be true technically, but I'm connotating that they want social capitalism instead of full communism. And while theory written 100 years ago may have those terms be near equivalent, the meanings of those words have drifted a little since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Socialism doesn't refer to Social Democracy, but Socialism, ie Worker Ownership of the Means of Production. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Socialism doesn't refer to Social Democracy, but Socialism, ie Worker Ownership of the Means of Production. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago It gets touted as a transition state between Capitalism and Communism, by Communists who want to get away from Capitalism, and Capitalists who fear anything that isn't Capitalist. But it is a genuine economic philosophy on its own that blends the best parts of Communism and Capitalism in one. At least to my opinion. permalink fedilink source parent