▲ 55 ▼ Why there is so much communist propaganda on lemmy? (feddit.uk) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Vitaly@feddit.uk to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world 342 comments fedilink hide all child comments Even from people that never lived in a communist state edit: im 17 and i hate communism
[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) I don't get why you're being downvoted. There's a great comment by Cowbee (I think) that explains why this is a thing. There are people who are explicitly self-proclaimed Communists on Lemmy. This isn't some "Healthcare is communism!!!1" thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's probably the idea that Communists take offense to being called Socialist. The opposite is true, as Communism is a maximally Socialist position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HobbitFoot -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you are going by theory, sure. But if the word socialism gets used in conversation today, it will probably get interpreted as something like the Nordic model. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] diplodocus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's what happens when the communists are purged and billions of propaganda dollars are spent over generations to erase their memory: you end up with Newspeak, where people don’t know their asses from their elbows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare permalink fedilink source parent [+] lud@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] HobbitFoot -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think it is because some people think that socialism is a kind of communism, when that take wouldn't be accepted by a lot of communists here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Communism is Socialist, there aren't any Communists that would take offense to being called Socialist. There are Socialists that take offense to being called Communist, because for them, Socialism is the goal itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pollux@leminal.space 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are Socialists that take offense to being called Communist, because for them, Socialism is the goal itself Very rare. Those who do dislike being called communists probably aren't very serious about socialism at all, and probably only want the "social capitalism" of Scandanavian countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HobbitFoot -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yep. And on the flip side, if I call a communist a socialist, it may be true technically, but I'm connotating that they want social capitalism instead of full communism. And while theory written 100 years ago may have those terms be near equivalent, the meanings of those words have drifted a little since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Socialism doesn't refer to Social Democracy, but Socialism, ie Worker Ownership of the Means of Production. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's probably the idea that Communists take offense to being called Socialist. The opposite is true, as Communism is a maximally Socialist position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HobbitFoot -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you are going by theory, sure. But if the word socialism gets used in conversation today, it will probably get interpreted as something like the Nordic model. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] diplodocus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's what happens when the communists are purged and billions of propaganda dollars are spent over generations to erase their memory: you end up with Newspeak, where people don’t know their asses from their elbows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HobbitFoot -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you are going by theory, sure. But if the word socialism gets used in conversation today, it will probably get interpreted as something like the Nordic model. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] diplodocus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's what happens when the communists are purged and billions of propaganda dollars are spent over generations to erase their memory: you end up with Newspeak, where people don’t know their asses from their elbows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare permalink fedilink source parent
[–] diplodocus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) That's what happens when the communists are purged and billions of propaganda dollars are spent over generations to erase their memory: you end up with Newspeak, where people don’t know their asses from their elbows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare permalink fedilink source parent
[+] lud@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HobbitFoot -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think it is because some people think that socialism is a kind of communism, when that take wouldn't be accepted by a lot of communists here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Communism is Socialist, there aren't any Communists that would take offense to being called Socialist. There are Socialists that take offense to being called Communist, because for them, Socialism is the goal itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pollux@leminal.space 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are Socialists that take offense to being called Communist, because for them, Socialism is the goal itself Very rare. Those who do dislike being called communists probably aren't very serious about socialism at all, and probably only want the "social capitalism" of Scandanavian countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HobbitFoot -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yep. And on the flip side, if I call a communist a socialist, it may be true technically, but I'm connotating that they want social capitalism instead of full communism. And while theory written 100 years ago may have those terms be near equivalent, the meanings of those words have drifted a little since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Socialism doesn't refer to Social Democracy, but Socialism, ie Worker Ownership of the Means of Production. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Communism is Socialist, there aren't any Communists that would take offense to being called Socialist. There are Socialists that take offense to being called Communist, because for them, Socialism is the goal itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pollux@leminal.space 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are Socialists that take offense to being called Communist, because for them, Socialism is the goal itself Very rare. Those who do dislike being called communists probably aren't very serious about socialism at all, and probably only want the "social capitalism" of Scandanavian countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HobbitFoot -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yep. And on the flip side, if I call a communist a socialist, it may be true technically, but I'm connotating that they want social capitalism instead of full communism. And while theory written 100 years ago may have those terms be near equivalent, the meanings of those words have drifted a little since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Socialism doesn't refer to Social Democracy, but Socialism, ie Worker Ownership of the Means of Production. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pollux@leminal.space 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are Socialists that take offense to being called Communist, because for them, Socialism is the goal itself Very rare. Those who do dislike being called communists probably aren't very serious about socialism at all, and probably only want the "social capitalism" of Scandanavian countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HobbitFoot -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yep. And on the flip side, if I call a communist a socialist, it may be true technically, but I'm connotating that they want social capitalism instead of full communism. And while theory written 100 years ago may have those terms be near equivalent, the meanings of those words have drifted a little since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Socialism doesn't refer to Social Democracy, but Socialism, ie Worker Ownership of the Means of Production. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HobbitFoot -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yep. And on the flip side, if I call a communist a socialist, it may be true technically, but I'm connotating that they want social capitalism instead of full communism. And while theory written 100 years ago may have those terms be near equivalent, the meanings of those words have drifted a little since then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Socialism doesn't refer to Social Democracy, but Socialism, ie Worker Ownership of the Means of Production. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago Socialism doesn't refer to Social Democracy, but Socialism, ie Worker Ownership of the Means of Production. permalink fedilink source parent