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Socdems being cringe part 4: DSA chapters act like chauvinists during Cuba trip (hexbear.net)
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Honestly its rude to be invited by a country to meet their president who decided to respond to your criticisms of their administration only to not show up and go meet the opposition.

Being invided and then no showing shows complete disregard to basic diplomatic Etiquette since it was a mission to show solidarity against the embargo

Bonus socdems being cringe part 4.5: about another member that didnt show up to the presidential meeting

Deeply unserious people

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[–] 3 points 2 years ago (5 children)

What other changes happened beyond being able to go to this body directly and skip intermediate leadership? Because that sounds like a good idea but also completely inadequate on its own.

What more would you suggest? Any accusation is an immediate suspension. Then it goes to this body. The system is simple and direct.

this goes into some misuse of democratic centralism in the Steven case. Not sure about the politics of the site but the evidence provided seems pretty damning. You'll note that the issue with the case wasn't a delayed reaction, the response by women in national leadership was pretty overtly anti-feminist.

The politics of the site is it's an anarchist who hates PSL and exclusively writes about how PSL is and why tankies are bad.

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    What more would you suggest? Any accusation is an immediate suspension. Then it goes to this body. The system is simple and direct.

    The problem is that being able to escalate it to another committee doesn't really resolve the organizational issues that allow abuse? Abuse takes a lot of grooming of accomplices, how does PSL inoculate against that and how do they determine what organizational failures within a group allowed for abuse to happen and correct them?

    The politics of the site is it’s an anarchist who hates PSL and exclusively writes about how PSL is and why tankies are bad.

    Oh, well fuck them then. The evidence from the org they present still paints a very shitty picture of the org. Is the letter from women in national leadership doctored?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    The problem is that being able to escalate it to another committee doesn't really resolve the organizational issues that allow abuse? Abuse takes a lot of grooming of accomplices, how does PSL inoculate against that and how do they determine what organizational failures within a group allowed for abuse to happen and correct them?

    The Powers instance was an established romantic relationship - not something that came as a result of an organizational power structure. We clearly and strongly oppose any instances of abuse, have structures in place to report, investigate and punish it, and have a clear political explanation of why a serious revolutionary organization must aggressively oppose abusive, exploitative, and chauvinistic behavior within its membership. We also do our best to identify these behaviors during our month-long onboarding process, though of course people can hide that stuff. I would again need an example of what the structural issues are in order to suggest a solution.

    Oh, well fuck them then. The evidence from the org they present still paints a very shitty picture of the org. Is the letter from women in national leadership doctored?

    I don't deny that the case was badly mishandled; that is the position of the party. I believe those issues have been corrected and we have a very strong feminist line.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    The Powers instance was an established romantic relationship

    1. it is pretty common for people in orgs to get involved, it is something that should be planned for

    2. it seems like in this case the abuser was using people as accomplices, otherwise the response from the local org wouldn't have been what it was.

    We also do our best to identify these behaviors during our month-long onboarding process,

    How?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    it is pretty common for people in orgs to get involved, it is something that should be planned for

    Genuinely what would you suggest?

    it seems like in this case the abuser was using people as accomplices, otherwise the response from the local org wouldn't have been what it was.

    Yes; there was no mechanism to go around local leadership. Now there is.

    How?

    Explain the policy, talk a great deal about comradely behavior and expectations of conduct, and do our best to get their vibe. If that's not sufficient I would again ask for a concrete suggestion.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Genuinely what would you suggest?

    How much political education goes into learning about how abuse culture perpetuates itself in activist subcultures?

    Yes; there was no mechanism to go around local leadership. Now there is.

    That's kinda beside the point, that only helps if the victim is actually reporting

    Explain the policy, talk a great deal about comradely behavior and expectations of conduct, and do our best to get their vibe. If that’s not sufficient I would again ask for a concrete suggestion.

    I'd need to know more detail on how this is done.

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