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They're openly allowing illegal immigrants to vote in federal elections now in Arizona. (i.redd.it)
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[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Only US citizens can vote in US federal elections. That is a federal restriction which is not impacted by this.

This is adding an additional requirement to show proof of citizenship before even being allowed to cast a vote.

According to this, people cannot vote for local or state level issues if they do not show a passport, birth certificate, certificate of citizenship, or other such document. Pretty sure drivers licenses and state issues IDs are not proof of citizenship, so a lot of people are probably going to be surprised when they show up and are not allowed to vote for governor, state legislature, etc because they don't have the right documentation.

This makes voting more restrictive, not less.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

How do you check that they are citizens without proof of citizenship?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Does any country require proof? In Canada you just need an ID that confirms your name and address. No proof of citizenship is necessary. It's illegal for a non citizen to vote, but proof isn't necessary in order to vote.

The reason proof isn't required is because Canada doesn't issue proof of citizenship to all citizens. How can the government require people provide proof of citizenship if the government doesn't ensure all citizens have proof of citizenship?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

We dont actually have a list of citizens. There is no way of knowing without proof of citizenship. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/the-supreme-courts-big-data-problem-118568/

Canada does have a list of citizens, thats the difference.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Canada does have a list of citizens

I've never heard of that. I'd be interested if you have a source.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Those look like immigration records. Natural born citizens wouldn't be found there. The page also says the records aren't proof of citizenship but oddly can be used for employment or government purposes (I'm not sure what other purposes you'd use it for?).

No list is needed since someone is a Canadian citizen if they meet the definition in the Citizenship Act, not if their name is on a list.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is a guess, but I am assuming that when people register to vote (since that is not automatic, but rather an opt-in right in the United States), the person's information is sent to the local board of elections that can perform a search for the citizenship status of that individual.

I would expect the Arizona to already know if an individual is a citizen or not, so this requirement is more about preventing votes rather than securing the integrity of the voting process.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We dont actually have a list of citizens. There is no way of knowing without proof of citizenship. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/the-supreme-courts-big-data-problem-118568/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I was thinking more that the documentation provided when registering to vote would be verified, not that a person would be looked up in a large centralized list.

But that was just a guess, the board of elections may just ruberstamp all requests for all I know about their processes.