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Exploding-heads.com is another instance on Lemmy where alt-right MAGA types tend to reside. Some people on this server want us to defederate from them immediately, some people want to save defederation as a last resort. They have 104 active users (more stats below).

It seems that exploding-heads has also experienced a recent botswarm invasion. This is obviously another point in favor of defederating them, assuming you are worried about botswarms, which is currently being discussed here.

My advice to you all is please try to discuss this in a civil manner, we need not allow them to create divisive conflict inside our communities. No matter how the vote turns out, you're not going to be able to defederate from your fellow sh.itheads so be nice.

I've linked many of the previous discussions below so people who are out of the loop can get a general sense of the situation.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/216888 https://sh.itjust.works/post/225714 https://sh.itjust.works/post/281126 https://sh.itjust.works/post/410325

Lemmy.world just recently defederated them.

https://lemmy.world/post/747912

https://lemmy.world/post/577526

Although this could be considered a point in favor of defederation, it actually means even if we vote to remain federated, people have a great alternative in lemmy.world where they can still participate in our communities and simultaneously be protected from exploding-heads.

Ensuring diversity of servers is beneficial to the platform as a whole, but it is also not our responsibility to bear that burden.

TLDR, just wrap up any last points in this thread before we open the vote tomorrow. Please be civil.

EDIT: To clarify, this isn't the official vote, this is the final discussion. The vote thread will be posted tomorrow and you will only be allowed to make a single comment saying Aye or Nay.

EDIT2: Vote thread is up, this thread is now locked. Very lively discussion thread sh.itheads. Please try to be more respectful next time.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (11 children)

I think federation should be used as a tool for combatting spam (brigading included) and dealing with instances that allow illegal content or that promote actual violence.

De-federating is not the tool to use because you don't like seeing the content in your feed, you can block the communities. De-federating isn't the tool to enforce this instances moderation rules on other instance's communities.

Brigading is certainly a concern and if their users were doing that we would need to reach out to their admin to attempt to resolve the issue. As a last resort we could de-federate to mitigate the problem.

I'm not at all defending the ideas on EH or the user's posts or comments. There are some truly disgusting opinions being represented there. I just haven't seen them cross the line into allowing violence to be planned, or allowing CSAM or spamming.

It is very important to understand that de-federation is just a global block list that is enforced on every user on this instance. It is convenient for the users to have spam instances automatically blocked and for the users to not have to worry about CSAM in their feed. Beyond that, if a user wants to read alt-right content then it isn't up to me to tell them that they cannot.

If you want to block content that is 100% up to you, nobody can tell you who you can block. In exactly the same way you should not attempt to exercise any control over another user's block list.

De-federation is just a block list. Curate your own block list otherwise let the admins remove spam and obviously illegal stuff. De-federation isn't a super downvote button an we should not use it as such.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

Nay, but only slightly. like 51-49

I like challenging them, and if sh.itjust.works defederates from them, I won't be able to! :(

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

No to defederation. As long as their instance is not significatly impacting this instance, I'm against it.

Seriously, I have seen neither a thread nor one of their users on this instance.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

“ Although this could be considered a point in favor of defederation, it actually means even if we vote to remain federated, people have a great alternative in lemmy.world where they can still participate in our communities and simultaneously be protected from exploding-heads.”

This seems like a great compromise.

If you feel so strongly that you’d like to continue to interact with everyone here, and you don’t want to see stuff from another particular instance, then this is a great option.

I vote no action is needed here on this instance.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

No, do not participate and block the communites if you want to. This should be a platform for free speech. Just because you don't like it does not mean it should be defederated.

I absolutely do not support what they say or do, but I think anyone should be able to discuss anything, not just stuff I support. That's what free speech is, and I am 100% against ANY form of censorship.

I haven't seen anything from them and I don't go looking for it. But if every instance defederated something they don't like, Lemmy will absolutely fail. No one wants to use 87 different instances so they have a complete experience. Every instance will be a special place for their snowflakes

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

I completely agree!

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I believe in freedom of speech and that everyone should allow or block something he/she doesn't like, so I'm against defederating.

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