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[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 65 points 2 years ago

yup, cuz remember russia haaaas to do this because nato keeps encroaching on them!!11!1!1

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[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 17 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Here you go:

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[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Honestly, it seems like everyone in that place wants to kill everyone else. You could swap the sides in that meme and it'd still make sense.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

No. Most of the civilian populations don't want it. They're the victims caught in the middle between the fascist Netanyahu government and the Hamas terrorists.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

The civilian population doesn't deserve it, but I'm not convinced that they don't want to murder the other side. Israeli polls on whether Palestinians should be treated as human beings often return... concerning percentages.

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[–] rdri@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago*

And if we had any trustable polls from Palestine about a similar thing... I think some people would be surprised.

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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

No one that I know of from the West has tried for compromise in Palestine since the 1990s. The sign should say "We stand with Israel! Here's some weapons." Biden putting sanctions on like 4 people somehow counts as this revolutionary sign of progress, and they're still in the middle of blowing up the last of the medical facilities.

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[–] VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Don't forget that Biden's "targeting" Israeli settlers as if they give a fuck what some old guy in America thinks. The sanctions will make fuck all of a difference.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago (24 children)

I love when people claiming to be communists defend the hyper capitalist modern Russia. I have my criticisms of the ussr, but it’s dead and buried and Russia is as much the Russian Soviet as the Russian Soviet was Czarist Russia.

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[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 years ago* (18 children)

Tankies don't have anyone they can root for that's coherently communist or socialist anyways. China isn't really, Russia is just an oligopoly with one guy on top for life (if you substitute land ownership with ownership of sectors of the economy then Russia looks a lot like a feudal monarchy).

Their one immutable belief is the "US bad". That's it. That's their speed of light. Everything else must twist to maintain that position. If Ukraine elected a pro-western leader, it MUST be a CIA coup. They couldn't have possibly chosen that for themselves because "US bad". If Russia starts an offensive war of conquest it can't just be their fault, they must have been provoked.

Before Russia invaded Ukraine they could pretend like only evil capitalist countries invade others. The invasion broke them since they have to someone maintain that position while also justifying the invasion , again, because US bad. This is really all they have now.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

"Critical support", they'll say, with an absolute lack of criticism.

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[–] roscoe@startrek.website 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

That shit kills me. I was reading something on hexbear about some recent anti-gay stuff in Russia. It was all about critical support, and not just Russia. They also talked about critical support for Nigeria, despite them having the death penalty for gay people, because they're "anti-imperialist."

Why doesn't it go the other way? Why can't you give "critical support" to countries making strides in human rights while criticizing their economic policy?

To me, their priorities seem pretty fucked up. Between exploitative economic policy and killing or imprisoning people for existing as themselves, I know which one I'm going to be "critical" of and which one will cause me to refuse support for a country in any way.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 6 points 2 years ago

Worst part is, it's not "or". For the countries they 'critically support', it's exploitative economic policy AND killing or imprisoning people for existing.

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[–] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Being anti-imperialist is usually the determining factor of tankie (“critical”) support. Being against the US is apparently how you are anti-imperialist, so if you decide to conquer an American ally to grow an empire, you are apparently anti-imperialist. I guess that’s where you “critically” support them by cheering.

I don’t get it.

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[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 years ago

Putin be unironically

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 years ago (36 children)

It's hard to avoid a "no true scottsman" with the current state of bots and propaganda accounts.

But as far as I can tell, there are hardly any lefties, or even tankies, who unironically support Russia or even a middle ground position. Despite their hate of the west, Russia is clearly the greatest evil here.

Most of the middle ground positions I see come from fox news.

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[–] roscoe@startrek.website 30 points 2 years ago (8 children)

That's because your instance has blocked hexbear and lemmygrad.

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[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Maybe. But previously when I engaged with people making this same claim, when they provided their evidence (a link to a hexbear post) and I actually spent the effort to verify it, it was trivially clear that their evidence was wrong, and when I showed that to them, they blew up and blocked me from the entire community (they were a mod).

Since then I've been pretty skeptical of people making this claim.

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[–] roscoe@startrek.website 9 points 2 years ago

Don't take my word for it. Even though your instance is defederated from them you can still go to hexbear.net and search locally for posts about Ukraine.

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[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 years ago

Try engaging with the tankie communities more, though I suspect your instance has them defederated if you get an impression this distorted.

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[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The historical experience of the USSR was a brainrot on communists. Having a bias for Soviet nationalism is already bad enough, but imagine letting that evolve into Russian nationalism. Defend the same right of self-determination for Ukraine you would have defended for Vietnam 60 years ago.

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[–] Mio@feddit.nu 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

The sad truth is how brained washed and suppressed the people are in Russia. Things could be much better if that was not the case. Any idea on how to let them free?

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[–] gastationsushi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (12 children)

As a Ukraine supporter since the beginning, it's Biden and congress who deserve criticism. They should have given Ukraine all the tools to win. They also should have protected Ukrainian airspace and her coast along the Black Sea. With full support, I think Ukraine had good shot of expelling the Russian invaders but that window is over. US leaders are now saying it was about hurting Russia, it wasn't about Ukraine winning. That tells me meaningful US support is over.

The West is a failing system unable to reverse it's inequities. It's supporters can only attack critics for pointing out the warning signs. What a sad ass meme.