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You're Not Imagining It: Google Search Results Are Getting Worse, Study Finds::Google swears everything is fine. A new study—and many people's lived experience—says different.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 8 months ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Fuck using quotes or a negative search still won't get you what you want. I've had it still pull up results with the negative words in it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

It's the same on YouTube. One time I added a negative term and I ONLY got that term in the results. I don't understand how you can break such an important part of search.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

I've used terms like "ItemA"+"ItemB"

And still get results which have the disclaimer "Missing: ItemB | Show results with: ItemB"

I ALREADY TOLD YOU TO

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, so they changed it so it defaults to the "new" way where quotes and -UnwantedTerm don't function the way they used to, but when you fill out the search box, hit "Google Search", and it fails to perform the way you want it to, once you're on the results page, go to "Tools" click on "All Results" and change it to "Verbatim".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Or I'm just gonna stop using Google

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Query: "list of item locations in game"

Results:

  • YouTube
  • YouTube
  • YouTube
  • List of item locations in other game of the series
  • YouTube
  • YouTube
  • IGN (their article is a just bunch of videos)
  • Irrelevant SEO bait
[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That website was so jam packed with crap popping up that it wasn’t worth reading

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

If you use Firefox, the reader view works great when you want to look at just the article and nothing else.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So far, I’ve moved to Kagi.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I like kagi, too. The small subscription fee is worth it to me because I get decent search results and they don't track you or bubble you..

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (13 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Well fuck. I want nothing to do with kagi now.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I’m so technologically illiterate I couldn’t figure out how to access the sears.space website. All I can find is versions and instances and a GitHub page

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I picked up from their response that they're just using the public API, not in any kind of partnership?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I seriously can't recommend Kagi enough! Make an account and do a hundred searches (FREE) that aren't monetized and/or used to advertise to you or steal your data. It's incredible what a difference it makes.

https://kagi.com/

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I was reluctant to jump on the Kagi bandwagon, but I'm now a week in and genuinely enjoying it.

Before, I'd have to search things across Google/Bing/AskJeeves a few times to finally arrive at an answer - I've yet to leave Kagi this last week.

The different AI engines you can also use and the customization for styling are pretty darn good, too. I'm now using it as my dedicated search on all my android phones, my laptop, and my desktop. Time will tell if things hold up, but so far so good.

Only con so far is that it's sometimes slow to provide results. It isn't devastating, but it's like a 5 second delay which "feels" slow, but it's whatever.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

+1

Also, I wish we'd have a kagi community for Lemmy

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

Because I'm too lazy to do my own research; does someone have actual good experience with something else?

I'm using Brave search and it's good for most things if I add an extra keyword, but not good for local results.

Thanks in advance for all the Brave downvotes.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

DuckDuckGo finds some things. I'm no expert.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

I've heard people say that the answer is no, but in looking into it just now myself it looks like rather it is sometimes yes as well.

Basically the best way to describe it seems to be that it is "NOT Google, and MOSTLY does not want to be FULLY Bing (but still is somewhat, they're wanting to work on it, but to be clear they do have embedded Microsoft trackers that they are forced to leave in due to their licensing agreement)".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I would NOT use it for shopping, I tried that recently and got a ton of really sketchy looking sites with way too cheap products that had no internet presence before this month. This might be more pronounced if you search specific product model numbers like I was rather than general terms.

I’ve had it be mostly okay on other stuff. I use it over Google but mostly because I don’t want to pay for a search engine.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tbf, do those sketchy sites also show up with Google?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I’d have to repeat the search to check again, but I don’t remember seeing the same sites when I repeated the search on Google, at least not on the first page in the top few spots the way it was on DDG.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

So maybe that's the genius of DDG - you skip right past the predatory SEO-optimized sites straight away to the predatory sketchy ones:-D.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

I'm giving searx a try. There's a list of public instances here: https://searx.space/

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Https://qwant.com , a french privacy first search engine that has alright search results but great privacy control

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Duckduckgo has turned into to a google clone at this point i've found - you get pretty much identical results with the added aggravation you can't exclude keywords.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I use Duck Duck Go. It seems okay to me, but I admit that I haven't tried anything else.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

i was wondering what would it take to make a free/open/noncommercial search solution maintained by a collective (like wikipedia or something). search is too important to be ruined for everyone by corporations.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Searx is a search aggregator. It masks your identity from the search providers, but under the hood it's still just a middle man for google/bing results. I don't see how this helps if the results themselves are getting worse.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

My problem seems to stem from the fact that my searches are often obscure and commercial interests probably wish I was searching for something else.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

I think it's related to paid search and SEO tactics. All my browser have adblocks for years and I think it helps. By my own experience I don't think it's worse, and to be honest I still think it's unmatched. I've been using duckduckgo sometimes and it's alright and all but it's definitely not better.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


For the past few years, a growing number of users, analysts, and experts raised alarms about a truth that feels obvious to a lot of people who surf around in web browsers: the quality of Google results is in serious decline.

That’s according to a new study by a team of researchers from Leipzig University, Bauhaus-University Weimar, and the Center for Scalable Data Analytics and Artificial Intelligence, first reported by 404 Media Tuesday.

According to the study, those efforts aren’t working, but “search engines seem to lose the cat-and-mouse game that is SEO spam.” These changes often lead to a “temporary positive effect,” but the spammers just find new loopholes.

Just last week, Gizmodo covered a bizarre situation that saw Google turning up what looked like a child’s homework assignment for a search about former president John F. Kennedy’s stance on the death penalty.

It’s gotten so hard to find authentic, useful results that people have started adding the word “Reddit” to search terms to turn up content written by someone who actually cares, instead of someone just trying to make money.

In 2023, a Gizmodo investigation found the tech news outlet CNET deleted thousands of articles because its team felt that would aid in the site’s performance on Google Search.


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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

For most of my usual search any search engine does the job. For the rest :

https://fmhy.pages.dev/

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Ecosia is pretty sweet if you fancy helping the planet. It's also privacy conscious as in does not sell or store any personally identifiable information. They also anonymize search data.

important to note that Ecosia does collect some non-personal information, such as search terms and click data, to improve search results and analyze usage patterns.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I don't need a study to know that.

I switched to DuckDuckGo years ago, never looked back

By coincidence, yesterday I had to use my Virtual windows machine to test some windows software with a a scanner (my own machine is Linux). So i go to the browser in there, search for the brand and model for the driver and lo and behold, all the results were sponsored or incorrect. Correct the browser configuration to DuckDuckGo, retry, and there is the first result!

Now I know, DuckDuckGo is now apparently just Microsoft Bing, and I hate Microsoft, but at least this works. I know that DuckDuckGo is also getting worse and I'm about to look into self hosted open source alternatives, see what that gets me....

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Something like Searx?

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