But as things stand, cars are still really expensive for many Americans. Just 10 percent of new car listings are currently priced below $30,000, according to CoPilot. Things are not much better in the used car market, where only 28 percent of listings are currently priced below $20,000.

According to an October report by Market Watch, Americans needed an annual income of at least $100,000 to afford a car, at least if they're following standard budgeting advice, which says you shouldn't spend more than 10 percent of your monthly income on car-related expenses.

That means that more than 60 percent of American households currently cannot afford to buy a new car, based on Census data. For individuals, the numbers are even worse, with 82 percent of people below the $100,000 line.

$100k to afford a car! Wtf.

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[–] 62 points 2 years ago (3 children)

And yet, you must own one lest you be considered a pariah most places

Hate this shit

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    Fr. I've had a car for several years now, but I still get angry over how often I was given shit or denied [low-paying] jobs because I would bike or bus to the place a couple miles away. Part of what keeps me angry is probably knowing people with disabilities denied work or how friends of mine have gotten fucked by our shitty bus system, which is still one of the better ones in the US, mind you.

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  • [–] 52 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Protectionist policies barring Chinese cars from being imported has to be the main factor

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago

    I think it's just more of the rot. Americans couldn't ever really afford cars to the extent that they were used, no society can. And I don't mean this on a moral ground or whatever, just economically it is a terrible, terrible system to uphold and only ever functioned due to absolutely gargantuan subsidies at every point

    But, you know, that works for a while if your average consumer gets a nice treat, but it's simply unsustainable

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  • [–] 48 points 2 years ago

    I spend more than 10% of my monthly income just on fucking gasoline

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  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    America is hands down the shittiest place on earth to live. First they squeezed everybody out to 2+ hour commutes with unsustainable urban rents; then they raised the price of the cars to make those mandatory commutes; now they're raising the rents on the suburban and exurban shitholes people got forced into. Nowhere to live, no way to get around.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    America is hands down the shittiest place on earth to live.

    Gaza, right now

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    America is hands down the shittiest place on earth to live.

    Lacks a little perspective

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  • [–] 40 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Will this lead to more transit investment or will it lead to a tax credit that can be used on a low-interest 30-year car loan for entrepreneurs of color in opportunity zones?

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  • [–] [S] 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    There actually is more transit investment in the US than there's been in a long time but it's about 5% of what it should be. The other 95% is tax credits.

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    [–] 35 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    Just 10% of new car listings are below $30,000

    Okay this does bring up a question I’ve had for a long time: Who the fuck buys new cars? I’ve only known like 1 person in my life who bought her car new and it’s because she was a moron who wanted a fancy new mustang. Even relatively wealthy adults I know buy like 3-5 year old cars.

    I’ve always questioned this. It genuinely doesn’t seem like there have ever been enough people buying new cars to keep the supply of used cars going. I don’t understand how this works.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Not to brag, but as an old software developer, I’ve bought new (compact/subcompact) cars for cash, meaning no loan. Now I live car free, but in a city almost no one can afford. There is still a PMC/middle class/labor aristocratic class, though it’s ever-shrinking.

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    porky-happy That's okay, you can just rent them from us forever. You will own nothing and be happy.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I love these deranged financial rules of thumb developed in a tiny slice of time in america that everyone is supposed to live by.

    30% to housing, 10% to cars

    These were made in the 70s and 80s I guess? Not only is today so different that these guidelines are fucking stupid, but even in the 70s the world was still recovering from post war boom. Prior to WW2 the economy was completely different! People didn't save, there were widespread recessions, from nance didn't have the stranglehold that it did moving into the 70s and 80s too.

    I bet someone looked at their finances in like August 1976 and made up rules that persist to this day and are absolute fantasy

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago

    My car AC has been broken for like 5 years and they told me it'd betw like 1500 to fix it and "i might as well get a new car" but it's like with what fucking money I can't even afford that 1500

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago

    Not only have cars gotten much more expensive, but the cost to finance the car has gone up dramatically.

    A car that should be worth $20k now costs $35k. A few years ago that 20K would have had a 4% interest rate, now it's closer to 8%.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago

    People shouldn’t wonder why I drive an old car.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    Capitalism = No Transport

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  • [–] [S] 32 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    it comes once a week, costs 700 dollars, takes three times as long as driving, and breaks down 50% of the time

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  • [–] [S] 29 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I believe that you're referring to the Communist Chinese People's Party of Evil (CCPEE), which is extremely bad - they have built more trains than anyone in the world, but only western tourists are permitted to ride them, so that we will believe communism (bad) is good (capitalism). This, therefore, is not real socialism (good in theory) and is instead bad in practice (capitalism), due to highways. Everyone in China actually lives in abandoned apartments and rides donkeys (communist horse). This is why they have so much pollution (bad for the environment), and why they build electric vehicles to destroy American factories (white).

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    only western tourists are permitted to ride them

    the chinese people riding the trains are paid actors

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I am convinced cash for clunkers will remain one of the worst impacts on the environment for ages to come. I know its better to change to electric cars but for those that cant. Buying used is the second best option to buying a new low cost ICE car.

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    [–] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    lol, maybe stop buying giant 20 foot, 10000 pound trucks?

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