"Sorry, your device appears to be running Linux, please only use approved Apple or Windows devices to log in, with our required surveillance system pro installed. Thanks."

If a website doesn't want me to see their shit, then I guess i won't see their shit. I already have some sites that don't work because of my aggressive use of lists on my pihole, in addition to the usual browser plugins. If a site doesn't work now, I just move on. I don't give a shit about any site enough to put up with this type of bullshit.

Expect corporations to be lazy. Just look at how every website handles cookies now. They could do it smartly, limit their cookie exposure, or only send the messages to IPs in the EU. But they just put an "accept all cookies or get out" OK box on your screen. And that's what they're going to do once attestation gets popular.

Sites will just require an attestation token and likely only accept ones from Safari and Chromium browsers since those are the ones pushing it. That will effectively make Firefox, Opera and other browsers incompatible with those websites. And once it catches on or becomes law somewhere, it'll be the entire internet. It's an extremely anticompetitive measure and it's internet-wide DRM. Fuck. that.

Google mentioned these in their explainer (they don’t like that they’re fully masked): https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/blob/main/explainer.md#privacy-pass--private-access-tokens

Cloudflare explains them more too: https://blog.cloudflare.com/eliminating-captchas-on-iphones-and-macs-using-new-standard/

They are currently going through an IETF standardization: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/privacypass/about/

You can also read the architecture. In general I do trust Cloudflare more than Google. I have no doubt shitty sites won’t fall back to a captcha and will instead block access though, with either solution.

I'm with you there, but that seems like a reason to fight

This would very likely be added to cloudflare by default (it would lower their costs), and that would put a solid chunk of the Internet behind the blackwall

Back to the days of using a different web browser for each website. I remember the acid test, IE 5.5, etc. Not fun as a user or web developer.

Actually I like this.

All those people who've been trying to keep corporate technologies "open" were, in fact, working for the corporations to make people come to them. Most unknowingly, maybe. It's just, well, litany of Gendlin case. You rely on corporate power, even if you are trying to hide it and talk about "open Web".

The most important thing is that we take ideologically corporate technology where it's not needed (there's been plenty of hypertext systems in history, some kinda successful, and all that JS and AJAX stuff and various frameworks on top are so complex not because of any usefulness, but because of the corporate goal of backward compatibility, lumping everything together and even intentional complexity to cut off competition, and a single space).

We'd be just fine with a bunch of incompatible between themselves Hypercard-like things working over network. That's what I think.

I really dislike Apple for what they've been in my somehow conscious years (born 1996), but things like Hypercard and Hotline (or KDX) from their older time seem to be just the right way to use personal computers.

Any single space with propaganda of "fragmentation being bad" is either not immune to what has happened to the Web, or already compromised.